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Air Products halts new spend on $4.5 Billion Louisiana blue hydrogen-to-ammonia project
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:21 pm
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US-based industrial gas firm Air Products has suspended new capital spending on its $4.5bn Louisiana blue hydrogen-to-ammonia project while it pursues a new strategy to sell parts of the scheme off, new CEO Eduardo Menezes said yesterday (Thursday).
Specifically, the company plans to sell off the ammonia production portion of the scheme, as well as the planned carbon sequestration facilities, Menezes told investors in an earnings call for Air Products Q2 2025 results.
“We are talking about not only having someone else executing the ammonia loop and owning the ammonia loop, but also another company or the same company taking care of the CO2 sequestration, which is not a core business for us,” he said.
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Air Products said it is delaying the startup of its $8 billion blue hydrogen manufacturing complex in Ascension Parish and won't move forward with the project until it sells off the facility's carbon capture and ammonia portions.
The earliest the facility will begin production won't be until 2028 or 2029, Air Products CEO Eduardo Menezes said Thursday during a quarterly earnings call with analysts.
"To be clear, Air Products is an industrial gases company and does not intend to be a retail marketer of ammonia," Menezes said. Menezes, who took over as CEO in February, said the company had moved away from its core businesses in search of growth.
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Community groups and environmentalists said they were pleased with the decision to delay the plant.
“This is great news for all the groups and community members who have been fighting this ill-conceived project from the start,” Corinne Van Dalen, senior attorney for Earthjustice, said in a statement.
Air Products has promoted the economic benefits of the plant, which would create 170 permanent jobs, and said it will help reduce carbon emissions by making hydrogen and ammonia.
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Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:49 pm to ragincajun03
“Things are not always what they might seem to be…..”
said someone familiar with the project
said someone familiar with the project
Posted on 5/2/25 at 5:50 pm to ragincajun03
Relative to CO2 sequestration….i guess it doesn’t make great business sense to invest in something that won’t make your company profit….the Ammonia loop seems like there must be more to the story….why capitalize the investment for something you never intended to operate?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:12 pm to ragincajun03
Did they not consider any of this before they started? Am I missing something?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 6:16 pm to BHM
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Did they not consider any of this before they started? Am I missing something?
Maybe their higher up folks either know for certain or fear too much that 45Q credits are on the chopping block, as well as any other federal monies that were possibly going to support the non core business ventures of this project.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:01 pm to BHM
The prior CEO had big ambitions. The new CEO is taking them back to their roots (and not CapEx suicide). Very smart move IF a buyer can be found for the ammonia loop and CCS.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:06 pm to ragincajun03
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This is great news for all the groups and community members who have been fighting this ill-conceived project from the start,” Corinne Van Dalen, senior attorney for Earthjustice, said in a statement.
Seriously screw this woman. She most likely sits in the lap of luxury afforded to her by the technological progress of modernity yet rails against what it takes to prop her up. I HATE people like her.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 7:08 pm to ragincajun03
Good re the CO2. Don’t know about the ammonia.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:05 pm to Dixie2023
Carbon capture only is profitable when the government taxes people carbon usage. And those taxes dollars go to big corporations who capture the carbon
Its a steal.from the poor give to rich scheme while politicians get rich also
Its a steal.from the poor give to rich scheme while politicians get rich also
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:08 pm to PurpleSingularity
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i guess it doesn’t make great business sense to invest in something that won’t make your company profit
There are tax credits to basically maybe make small profit, not a ton. The 45Q IRA tax credit from Biden pays $85/MT of CO2 sequestered, and dependent on the carbon intensity per kg of Hydrogen, you get the 45V tax credit. If your emissions are 2.0 to 4.0 kg of CO2 per kg of H2 produced, you get I think between $0.60 to $1.00 per kg of H2 produced. If you are below 0.45 kg of CO2 per kg of H2, you get $3.00 per kg of H2 produced.
The reason they are likely cancelling is that Trump can easily axe this. There is a reconciliation bill that is supposed to complete in August where Trump reviews all of Biden's IRA energy tax credits. If he nixes these tax credits, yet they already spent all the money to FID and begin construction, well then they are shite out of luck. Definitely very unprofitable without the tax credits.
This post was edited on 5/2/25 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:12 pm to PurpleSingularity
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why capitalize the investment for something you never intended to operate?
Old CEO wanted to do this. He was fired recently. New CEO came in and said screw this. Simple as leadership having 2 different opinions at different times.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:15 pm to Saunson69
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Old CEO wanted to do this. He was fired recently. New CEO came in and said screw this. Simple as leadership having 2 different opinions at different times
Ahhh…that’s why I suggested there must be more to the story…big miscalculation on the previous CEO and advisors.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:34 pm to jimjackandjose
I think a bill recently passed in the House for it somewhere in Louisiana, I don’t know where, though. People are upset. There has to be heath repercussions I’d think. And that they can do it without your approval on your property? I guess your explanation of lining pockets is why.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:36 pm to Dixie2023
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There has to be heath repercussions I’d think
quote:No??
And that they can do it without your approval on your property?
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:38 pm to ragincajun03
I'm sure if they keep calling it a "scheme" that investors will line up to save the project.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:40 pm to ragincajun03
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Maybe their higher up folks either know for certain or fear too much that 45Q credits are on the chopping block
Woof, if 45Q gets cut that will completely end CO2 sequestration. It would hit me hard, but I’m still in favor of getting rid of it. Actually, I think they should just proceed slowly. Prove out the technologies before going all out. We have plenty of time.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:52 pm to TigerTatorTots
Why wouldn’t it? And I’d read that it gives leeway to corps on your property without your approval/eminent domain. I don’t know if that’s in the bill that passed, it was a blurb.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:08 pm to Dixie2023
No one is injecting shite into your property without approval
Posted on 5/2/25 at 9:26 pm to TigerTatorTots
Thanks. That’s good to know.
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:23 pm to Saunson69
Also, companies paying to store pay in perpetuity. Someone will want to buy this part with more experience in sequestration.
Also, AP is not in the ammonia business so makes sense to sell of that part which they are doing.
Also, AP is not in the ammonia business so makes sense to sell of that part which they are doing.
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