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re: A True Tale of Evil - 14 Year old kills mom, shoots stepfather in Mississippi

Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:08 pm to
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:08 pm to
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she was reportedly on SSRIs

Abigail Shrier: So I always start a book with a question, and my question was, why are the kids who've gotten the most mental health resources, had the most therapy, the most diagnoses, the most psych meds, the most wellness tips, the most coping tips, etc. They should be the picture of mental health. Instead, they're the picture of despair. And I wanted to know why.

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How many kids are on psychoactive drugs and in active therapy?

Shrier: We only stopped talking about ADHD not because it was being diagnosed any less—there are more diagnoses—but because so many young kids are on selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) today, the antidepressant. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) just cleared Lexapro, which is a very strong antidepressant, for 7-year-olds. In fact, we've been going in one direction, putting kids on more and more and more psychotropic drugs, anti-anxiety medications, and various forms of speed for ADHD.

So in 2016, one in six kids between the ages of 2 and 8, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), already had a mental health or behavioral diagnosis. Those kids weren't on social media. They didn't have smartphones, certainly not in 2016. They don't have them today. So we know that this diagnosis has been exploding. And also mental health treatment has gone in one direction. So, nearly 40 percent of the rising generation has been to see a therapist already. And I'm not the only one to have noticed this—a team of researchers did a year ago and called this the treatment prevalence paradox.

What they were noticing is that with treatment of illness, the more treatment there is, the more the point prevalence rate of a disorder should go down. We saw this with breast cancer treatment and other things. The incidence of death from breast cancer went down with more pervasive treatment. Here, there's been vast expansion of treatment and the rates of depression and anxiety have only gone up.

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Most schools probably didn't even have school counselors or psychologists or anything like that on staff. But now, everywhere you look, that is considered part and parcel of K-12 teacher education, right?

Shrier: And that's why we're seeing so much increase in anxiety, depression, and the known harms of therapy, because we are treating a vast population, and mostly they are well. And here's the thing with iatrogenesis or when a healer introduces harm: If you have a problem, if you have a serious cut and you need stitches, it's worth the trip to the emergency room. But if you have a minor scratch, then you only stand to face risk, right? Because you don't stand to benefit, really.

So all the exposure to MRSA and other bacteria at the E.R., now you're just facing risk. And that's what we're doing with this generation. We're taking healthy kids who are a little bummed out, a little anxious, and we're loading them with intervention, as you say, much of it through school, through social-emotional learning and all the therapeutic techniques now going on in school. And so all these kids face is risk.

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But in general, most psychotherapists do not track any harms they make, no effort to see, "Gosh, have your relationships gotten worse since we started? Has your anxiety gotten worse? Has your depression gotten worse?" And that's a huge problem because those are the known side effects of therapy. We know that when they've studied burn victims, breast cancer survivors, first responders to catastrophe, in many cases, the ones who went to therapy ended up with worse symptoms than those who didn't go to therapy at all.

LINK

Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4874 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:11 pm to
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If you had your choice, who would you rather see walking the street:

A. Person who would kill your for your money?
B. Person who would kill you because they are batshit crazy?


This is a strange question.

I don't think I'd like to see either of them walking the street. Both are homicidal.

The problem with A is he's in control of his senses. That makes him more dangerous. B is like a rabid animal. Still dangerous, but makes their actions more understandable.

I'd prefer A executed and B locked away.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4874 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:15 pm to
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But in general, most psychotherapists do not track any harms they make, no effort to see, "Gosh, have your relationships gotten worse since we started? Has your anxiety gotten worse? Has your depression gotten worse?" And that's a huge problem because those are the known side effects of therapy. We know that when they've studied burn victims, breast cancer survivors, first responders to catastrophe, in many cases, the ones who went to therapy ended up with worse symptoms than those who didn't go to therapy at all.


What is appalling is that teachers and guidance counselors are frequently the ones that recommend to parents that their kid needs meds. "I think, Jody, has ADHD. She could probably really benefit from, Adderall."

It's despicable. These are the same people that are convincing kids that they should consider gender affirming care. (Sex change. Puberty blockers, Hormone Therapy, etc.)

Make light of it at your own peril.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16403 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Enter her name on Facebook and you will see older pictures pop up. Different appearance.


So "50" denotes an appearance that differs from her Facebook pictures?
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50381 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:17 pm to
Why on earth would the family want her released?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68085 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:20 pm to
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This isn't about frequency. There are two people. Which would you rather be around?
Like I said, B.
Posted by nolaks
Member since Dec 2013
1133 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:21 pm to
why is her picture and name on that, i thought they usually protected minors
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17897 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:24 pm to
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why is her picture and name on that, i thought they usually protected minors

You give up that protection when committing crimes serious enough to be charged as an adult.
Posted by Tigers13
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2005
1757 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:24 pm to
After a family member passed, my daughter (8yo) was upset for several days and school recommended counseling. After a couple of weeks, the only days she would get upset over the loss were the days she went to counseling. Counselor said she needed to continue b/c every time they talked, she got emotional. We told the school we wanted to end the counseling sessions and she hasn't been upset over it since.
Posted by CR4090
Member since Apr 2023
2042 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:25 pm to
Exactly why the guns stay locked up. If one of the boys wants take me out, they are going to have to do it the hard way.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:28 pm to
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These are the same people that are convincing kids that they should consider gender affirming care.


Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters

by Abigail Shrier

A generation of girls is at risk. Abigail Shrier’s essential book will help you understand what the trans craze is and how you can inoculate your child against it—or how to retrieve her from this dangerous path.

LINK




Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44779 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:28 pm to
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Will be out of prison eventually


She should fry for this. No reason she should ever walk as a free person again.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15544 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:29 pm to
That is a boy, jokes on you.
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6909 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:30 pm to
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Evil
Evil or mental illness?


"Why not both?"
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:33 pm to
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After a family member passed, my daughter (8yo) was upset for several days and school recommended counseling. After a couple of weeks, the only days she would get upset over the loss were the days she went to counseling. Counselor said she needed to continue b/c every time they talked, she got emotional. We told the school we wanted to end the counseling sessions and she hasn't been upset over it since.

That is exactly what Shrier is referring to.

Kids are learning. If you tell them it'll be okay after trauma, more often than not, they'll be okay. If you tell them they're traumatized, more often than not, they'll be traumatized.

It turns out all the drugs and all the therapy to make kids happier is just making them more depressed (generally speaking).
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:36 pm to
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That is a boy

Nope, just a kid.

Maybe it's time to de-emphasize sex to our young children, and just let them play and grow up.
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
4874 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:39 pm to
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It turns out all the drugs and all the therapy to make kids happier is just making them more depressed (generally speaking).



The enemy of good is better.

The cornerstone of medicine is supposed to be, "Do no harm." As it turns out, there's good money in doing a little harm.
Posted by AU_Nomad
AL
Member since May 2021
301 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:54 pm to
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14 year old girl shot and killed her mother for allegedly taking her cell phone/quote]

[quote]After she killed her mom, she texted her stepdad from her mom's phone so she could lay in wait and shoot him.




Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:56 pm to
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there's good money in doing a little harm.

This may not be a popular perspective, but when you put medicine in the marketplace, where is the profit motive to cure people?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26700 posts
Posted on 4/17/24 at 4:04 pm to
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The problem with A is he's in control of his senses. That makes him more dangerous. B is like a rabid animal. Still dangerous, but makes their actions more understandable.


You could reason with A. Give him your money, etc. You can't reason with B.

Of course, they are both bad. The point is, why are we making crazy be an excuse?

Killing someone because you are mentally ill is at least AS BAD, and maybe worse.
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