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re: A kid suffered a traumatic brain injury in a game at Traction this weekend?

Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:39 am to
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:39 am to
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I disagree, I sit through aa games every weekend and coached 11u/12u rec ball. Outfield was very relevant with USA bats at 12u and it’s a much higher level at AA ball. 10u and under maybe but I really think USA bats are the best option if bats really need to be changed. Not saying they do. These injuries have always been a part of baseball.


i just know what i witnessed in LL at 12u couple years ago. was overall terrible. i could be wrong though. but you would have to go back to 200 or 220' max field size to allow kids to have a chance to hit a HR if you did that.
Posted by Musashi
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:44 am to
Just curious what age and division did this happen at?
Posted by 3HourTour
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 9:44 am to
13AAA
Posted by Musashi
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:11 am to
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just know what i witnessed in LL at 12u couple years ago. was overall terrible. i could be wrong though. but you would have to go back to 200 or 220' max field size to allow kids to have a chance to hit a HR if you did that.


Yea, unfortunately the only fixes would change the game. You try to walk that fine line between better safety and still preparing the kids for higher levels without changing the game too much. The bat game is out of control though, maybe there can be some pull back between USA and the current bats. So much money in pushing these bats.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:37 am to
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older HS kids to make them stop being in their room, stop being lazy, and stop being so messy
The cure for my nephew was a girlfriend. Now I just keep calling my brother grandpa, he gives me a go to hell look, my SIL says she'll beat my nephew's arse if it happens and then mine for 'putting it into the universe'.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:40 am to
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Yea, unfortunately the only fixes would change the game. You try to walk that fine line between better safety and still preparing the kids for higher levels without changing the game too much. The bat game is out of control though, maybe there can be some pull back between USA and the current bats. So much money in pushing these bats.


easiest fix is have usssa strictly enforce the 1.15 rule an that it must break before it reaches 1.15. also have umpires check the bats for rattles and cracks. if a kid hits a ball and the bat sounds wrong...take it out


or you could just do like colleges and check the bats before each tournament with a compression test and put certification sticker on it that is meets the 250 compression test.

the problem is many of these bats are cracked and some are shaving them claiming they just got them rolled. Rolling does nothing but properly break in the bat if done correctly. the ones you see that are dropping compression by 150-200 points are doing it by shaving it or compressing the bat so much it is breaking it inside. or they are straight up lying and messing with the compression gaue which is common too
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:43 am to
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The cure for my nephew was a girlfriend. Now I just keep calling my brother grandpa, he gives me a go to hell look, my SIL says she'll beat my nephew's arse if it happens and then mine for 'putting it into the universe'.




to be fair...straight As, works his arse off in sports and training at school and home, but then just wants to talk on the phone, listen to music or play xbox in his room. tpyical shite we all did at that age

just annoying cause i want him to hang out more like all dads.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:48 am to
Sounds similar. Before the GF my SIL would complain that all he does is go to school, come home, eat, train until practice, practice, come home, eat, train until well past dark, eat again, then play games, listen to music, message friends/girls, and watch youtube at the same time. My brother's retort was that he has straight A's made a 29 on his ACT and is in all honors and AP classes, don't rock the boat just because his room is messy.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:50 am to
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Sounds similar. Before the GF my SIL would complain that all he does is go to school, come home, eat, train until practice, practice, come home, eat, train until well past dark, eat again, then play games, listen to music, message friends/girls, and watch youtube at the same time. My brother's retort was that he has straight A's made a 29 on his ACT and is in all honors and AP classes, don't rock the boat just because his room is messy.




i have to tell my wife the same thing. I just want my dude to hang out with
Posted by Dragula
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:51 am to
Sounds like it was a mild concussion/ small SAH which is not surprising, glad kid is ok

FYI … a TBI is a very broad term that encompasses the spectrum of head injuries from mild say a concussion to severe be it a DAI, very large Subdural/ Subarachnoid that are unsurvivable injuries where surgery is not even an option.
Posted by Pintail
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:54 am to
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and i am saying this as someone who's kids would absolutely benefit from them moving the date back to the same as little league, aug 31. but they dont need to do that.


Every kid would benefit. You would have all grades playing with their own grades and age group.

I just don't understand the May 1st cutoff. That allows 40% of an older grade to play down a grade level.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 10:55 am to
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I just want my dude to hang out with
Quotes like that are why I am enjoying every second I have with my little guy before sports and girls trump time with dad.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:12 am to
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Every kid would benefit. You would have all grades playing with their own grades and age group.

I just don't understand the May 1st cutoff. That allows 40% of an older grade to play down a grade level.



they are not in the older grade

for example, most kids in 13u born between may 1 and August 31 are in the 7th grade and playing with their grade.

thats what you are not understanding

nor do they need to be in 8th grade

im sorry but kids, especially boys, do not need to graduate HS at 17. there is zero rush to hurry and go work.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:14 am to
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PG.


Oh, that explains it. That’s not real baseball. That’s pay for positional rankings.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 11:16 am to
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Oh, that explains it. That’s not real baseball. That’s pay for positional rankings.




such a dumb take.

1) this wasnt even a PG event. it was 2d
2) Pg doesnt rank anyone before 8th grade, 14u


let me guess you are mad you have to pay to attend a showcase and play in PG tournaments to be ranked in PG?

of course you do, they dont have scouts that travel watching HS games.

PBR is very similar, but they do have area scouts at least.




so i went and looked up the kid that hit the ball, he is only 2 months older than most 13u. so February bday. he is only 5'7 150 so we arent talking 6'+ 175+ lbs with 105+ ev like many of the national kids. I get it he is a little older but its not enough to worry about imo.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 11:22 am
Posted by tigerball9
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 12:24 pm to
USSSA Bats should be banned in travel ball. USA Bats should be used. If a kid cannot play the game using a USA bats, then he should play REC Ball, which is essentially 90% of the AA players and 50% of the AAA players that play travel. USSSA bats cover up a lot of hitters flaws. BBCOR at 13 is also a good idea.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 12:48 pm to
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they are not in the older grade

for example, most kids in 13u born between may 1 and August 31 are in the 7th grade and playing with their grade.

thats what you are not understanding

nor do they need to be in 8th grade

im sorry but kids, especially boys, do not need to graduate HS at 17. there is zero rush to hurry and go work.


I'm not saying they need to graduate later. I'm saying 2d and these organizations should align with schools on birthday cutoffs.

Are all kids born after May playing with the grade level below them? No. All I'm saying is any kid with a birthday between May and August could play a grade level down.

No we aren't talking about all kids here but I see it just about every weekend where a 4th grader with a later birthday playing with 3rd graders, or 8th graders are playing with 7th graders.

Hell I saw just last weekend a third grader with a May birthday (usually playing 9U kids pitch AAA) playing 8U coaches pitch because his birthday allowed it. All because they turn that age between May and September.

If you are going to keep grade level exemptions (which I agree with you on getting rid of those you should just play with your age) then align with the schools on birthday cutoff date.

This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 12:50 pm
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 1:31 pm to
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so i went and looked up the kid that hit the ball, he is only 2 months older than most 13u. so February bday. he is only 5'7 150 so we arent talking 6'+ 175+ lbs with 105+ ev like many of the national kids. I get it he is a little older but its not enough to worry about imo.



IMO that is a huge problem. And he's not 2 months older than most 13U kids, he is 2 months older than the oldest kid allowed in 13U that isn't grade level exempt. And in no way is this the kid's fault but this is where I see an issue. Kids want to play with their friends and their grade level. Most kids born between May and August are playing with kids in their grade.

I assume this kid is 14 years old but in 7th grade (grade level exemption). He is playing against 13 year old kids in 7th grade.

There could be a 7th grader he plays against that was born September 1 2013. This kid was born in February of 2012. That's 18 months difference. Think of how much a 13 year old matures in 18 months and tell me why they should be on the same field.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 1:34 pm
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 1:55 pm to
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USSSA Bats should be banned in travel ball. USA Bats should be used. If a kid cannot play the game using a USA bats, then he should play REC Ball, which is essentially 90% of the AA players and 50% of the AAA players that play travel. USSSA bats cover up a lot of hitters flaws. BBCOR at 13 is also a good idea.
This appears to be the easiest solution. No other sport kids play is so dependent on the equipment used
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/23/26 at 2:12 pm to
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Not how this works.gif


It absolutely works this way. Most organizations allow two grade exemptions, some more. That means a 13U team could have two more kids that turned 14 in Jan-April provided they were held back in school. It's stupid and dangerous with the rocket launchers they are allowed to us for bats.
This post was edited on 4/23/26 at 2:13 pm
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