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re: A brand new house blew up today in Ragley 16 year old dead 5 others injured

Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:37 pm to
Posted by Run up middle
DeRidder
Member since Oct 2012
1456 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:37 pm to
I’m not sure what law is, but I have seen supplier turn off valves inside and test lines before connecting to tank.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179111 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:40 pm to
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Is this really a thing?


Yes and if you ever remodel a manufactured home you get to deal with them as well as the state/local code enforcers and often times their permit processes directly contradict one another. Dealt with this when fixing my friend's mobile home park after Laura and Delta. It was a nightmare.

Also dealt with them on a multi-family remodel.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 2:42 pm
Posted by shoestring
Member since Nov 2012
349 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:43 pm to
Propane company is responsible for leak testing new homes.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179111 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 2:47 pm to
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Propane company is responsible for leak testing new homes.


Plumbers do the pressure test as stated earlier. I just had to deal with Centerpoint and a plumber on this. Centerpoint will not connect without a pressure test performed by a licensed plumber. It was a rental of mine that we put a new water heater in and did some other work so I had my workers pressure test the system before we called the plumber. We knew it would hold but I am not a licensed plumber so my pressure test would not suffice for Centerpoint and understandably so.

I have never built a house dealing with a propane company so maybe I am off here. Just seems odd the liability could be passed to the propane supplier.

This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1203 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 3:13 pm to
You are correct. All appliances need to be installed prior to tank installation on a new construction. It is required because the gas company has to test all connections for leaks. The LP company obligations do not stop with the tank. They are required to verify all end appliance connections with a leak test. Just went through this process with a new build and 250 gal tank. At minimum, all end connections need to have a shut off valve with a solid end cap to pass inspection in most areas.
Posted by Papoo63
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2022
253 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:03 pm to
Just down da road from me...Figure it was Meth Heads...Really sad for the family...
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14364 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:15 pm to
Normal process is the plumber will do a pressure test on the gas piping system. Once he know he can hold a test he then schedules for the plumbing inspector (or building inspector in small pop areas) to come witness the test. Inspector will sign off on system

However, you do not test through appliances as they are designed for specific pressure range. So there is a chance the leak happened from shut off valve to appliance on in the appliance. .
Posted by Tempratt
Member since Oct 2013
14889 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:17 pm to
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ignored the rotten egg smell or if it happened too fast.


From what? Hydrogen Sulfide? I don’t remember propane having a rotten egg smell.
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
6690 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:19 pm to
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So there is a chance the leak happened from shut off valve to appliance on in the appliance

That’s what I think, but you would be able to hear and smell the leak throughout the house.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179111 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

From what? Hydrogen Sulfide? I don’t remember propane having a rotten egg smell.



quote:

Propane can smell like rotten eggs because manufacturers add a chemical called ethyl mercaptan to give it a distinctive odor. This smell helps people detect propane leaks



Not sure if all suppliers do it or who their supplier was. Most people in that area use Atkinson Propane
Posted by patnuh
South LA
Member since Sep 2005
7409 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:40 pm to
Hey I think this is leaking.

I’ll look at it on Monday.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:45 pm to
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ignored the rotten egg smell or if it happened too fast.


From what? Hydrogen Sulfide? I don’t remember propane having a rotten egg smell.


Do fixed home propane tanks require this? It's certainly not it the 20 gal tanks.

It's an additive for nat gas.
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
Leesville, La.
Member since Sep 2007
17529 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:46 pm to
Remodeled a home and it had a several space heaters in it. Took em all out and put in central heat. I called the gas company after the remodel, and they sent a technician out to inspect. This was during the summertime, so we didn't use the heater but had gas water heater, and stove. A week or so later my wife said she could smell gas. I said no way the dude inspected everything. She kept complaining she could smell gas. She has a nose like a bird dog. I crawled underneath the house, it's up on piers and followed every pipe and found an opening that wasn't capped. Unbelievable. Thank God it was under the house with where it could dissipate into the air. I was pissed.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30003 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 4:53 pm to
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The propane supplier's liability ends at the tank IMO


IME it absolutely would not end at the tank. At a very minimum it would end at the stub outside the house where the test gauge was. Again, IME the propane tank installer (as well as NG providers) runs all the pipe up to that stub and makes that connection.

I am unaware if there is any liability ever found past the stub but I can see a situation where the connection was made where the tank supplier knew or should have known there was an issue past the stub. An example of the potential liability would be removing a gauge that read 0 and making the connection without checking with the plumber.

I am curious if propane companies often use a 3rd party contractor to install the tanks to add a layer of protection between them and any liability.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91071 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:04 pm to
I own my own propane tank. When they came out to fill it they said the valve was old and not up to code and they wouldn't service me unless I had them replace it.

Scam or not I paid the $300 to replace it thinking that puts some liability back on them if there's an issue down the road.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:05 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179111 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:05 pm to
Facebook comments on the news article say the death was a child






ETA Word is someone else is in the burn center in Lafayette
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 5:13 pm
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
16223 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:49 pm to
Mine has it, but I don't live in your area.
Posted by DeeBz
Member since Jan 2015
612 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 5:56 pm to
This is my Dads 1st cousin’s daughter and family. My Uncle and a cousin live on Pullin Road a few hundred yards away from the house. They said they felt it at both their houses. 1 kid passed away and my Dad said husband and their 3 year old child are at burn unit in Lafayette.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71269 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:31 pm to
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I am curious if propane companies often use a 3rd party contractor to install the tanks to add a layer of protection between them and any liability.

All of the ones I am familiar with (my aunt worked in the propane business for 30+ years) do their own install. However, propane companies have been consolidating at a rapid pace over the past decade or so and things are changing.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179111 posts
Posted on 8/31/24 at 6:38 pm to
The news article updated


quote:

FM investigators have confirmed seven people were in this home at the time of the explosion.

A 16-year-old did not survive. Five victims were hospitalized in various stages of injury. The final survivor, a toddler, is being cared for by relatives.

"This is an unimaginable tragedy for this family and community," said State Fire Marshal Chief Bryan J Adams, "This investigation is still very much active, but we have a top-notch team working diligently to get as many answers for this family as possible."

--ORIGINAL--

NEWS ALERT- State Fire Marshal deputies are on the scene of an explosion and fire in Ragley involving at least one death and multiple injuries.
Just before 10 a.m. on Saturday, Aug. 31, Beauregard Fire District #2 responded to a report of a residential explosion in the 1100 block of Pullin Road in Ragley. Firefighters arrived to find a large debris field, fire, and several injured survivors.

This investigation is active and ongoing. More information will be released as it becomes available.

On Behalf of State Fire Marshal Chief Bryan J Adams




This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 6:45 pm
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