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re: 767 cargo plane crash outside Houston

Posted on 3/2/19 at 8:34 pm to
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 8:34 pm to
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Your assortment of butt plugs is going to be a little late.

Tell your bf that this weekend is a no go.


Doesn't have to be a no go, but it's going to be a little shittier than planned.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:03 pm to
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Wouldnt surprise me. Houston has the most dickhead controllers I’ve ever come across.



The guys at Hobby killed a woman a year or so ago. Kept making her go back around trying to fit her slower smaller plane in between commercial. Guess she ran out of gas or ran out of experience being recreational. Fell out of the sky like a dead bird in a flat spin.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
41368 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:08 pm to
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They used to fly a passenger charter from Houston to Angola,


I took this flight many times. The entire plane was business class except for a few rows in the rear.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3661 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:09 pm to
If there were any voids, empty spots without a can, cargo shift would cause something like this. Pure speculation of course. Now that they have the CVR and FDR, we will know soon.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3661 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:16 pm to
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don’t know what RJ means, but if it’s passenger airline pilots you would be wrong.


Nah.... I left a major passenger carrier for a cargo company.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 3/2/19 at 9:26 pm to
I think they've only found the CVR so far.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10216 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:26 pm to
Cargo shifts tend to happen on takeoffs or when the Capt comes in hot and has to slam the brakes on the landing. From the video that I have seen the aircraft is in a nose dive which would mean that if it was a cargo issue then something catastrophic would have had to happen.

Check out video of National Airlines flight 102 that crashed in Afghanistan.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3661 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 10:53 pm to
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Cargo shifts tend to happen on takeoffs or when the Capt comes in hot and has to slam the brakes o



They happen quite a bit actually. Depending on the load plan, if voids were up front and the descent was steep, you could get an unrecoverable nose down situation. You are right that most catastrophic ones are on takeoff though.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:00 pm to
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If there were any voids, empty spots without a can, cargo shift would cause something like this. Pure speculation of course.


Friend of mine at Atlas(767 capt) put the chance of a load shift around zero. He said they fill the voids with empty cans. He also said amazon flight almost always bulk out before they weight out.
ETA: I’m probably not explaining this well, but amazon flights usually aren’t heavy loads per my buddy.
This post was edited on 3/2/19 at 11:06 pm
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:04 pm to
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Check out video of National Airlines flight 102 that crashed in Afghanistan.

The load shift on NA102 didn’t bring it down. The subsequent damage to the hydraulics from the load shift left the plane uncontrollable.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
18053 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:05 pm to
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Friend of mine at Atlas(767 capt) put the chance of a load shift around zero.

So then what does he think happened?
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:07 pm to
He’s withholding speculation.

ETA: There is a *rumor* of structural failure floating around
This post was edited on 3/2/19 at 11:08 pm
Posted by jlntiger
Member since Feb 2011
1614 posts
Posted on 3/2/19 at 11:38 pm to
Can’t imagine how bad it was for the occupants . It’s amazing how safe air travel is but it still sucks whe this happens
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49802 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 2:54 am to
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What if he knew it was going down and took it there to minimize damage/civilian casualties?


There's lots of empty space around Anahuac.
Posted by dupergreenie
Member since May 2014
10216 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 6:06 am to
Re-read your statement. If there was no load shift then.......
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27872 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 7:18 am to
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There's lots of empty space around Anahuac.


True.

Also how long would it take to make a hard left from there in a 767 and be over the gulf?

Bet that cockpit voice recorder will be a tough listen.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 7:29 am to
I know what I said. Yes, no load shift=no crash in that case. I was making the point that the load shift wasn’t the sole cause.
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
45189 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 8:14 am to
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The load shift on NA102 didn’t bring it down. The subsequent damage to the hydraulics from the load shift left the plane uncontrollable.
In other words the load shift took it down.

That’s like saying the car crash didn’t kill John Doe. It was his head injuries from the crash.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3661 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 8:18 am to
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In other words the load shift took it down.


I think his point is that the change in CG wasn’t the reason the aircraft went down.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3212 posts
Posted on 3/3/19 at 8:48 am to
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I think his point is that the change in CG wasn’t the reason the aircraft went down.


Yeah sort of. My first post on the NA102 crash was shitty wording. I was trying to convey that it wasn't the only reason for the crash.
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