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re: 55 year old lifeguard charged with murder after shooting 2 teens in Chicago
Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:42 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I’m sure the young scholars were just approaching to offer to assist him with his bicycle. Perhaps one of them was in his school’s STEM program and is planning to study engineering, so he already knew a lot about fixing bicycles.
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Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:45 pm to 777Tiger
Don’t forget the young man went to grab back up to continue the fight over the bike. That’s what makes this self-defense in my mind. You have an argument and struggle. You then leave and grab backup to come back and continue. That’s textbook reasonable use of deadly force to defend yourself.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:51 pm to Riverside
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That’s what makes this self-defense in my mind.
if they had a previous encounter it looks better for the lifeguard because if it was defused and he went on his way but the yutes returned, if they had previously threatened him and returned with backup I don't think he has to give them much opportunity at that point
Posted on 6/29/25 at 2:59 pm to 777Tiger
Is there evidence that the kid in black was even with green shirt? Black shirt was a pretty good distance away from the guy and walking away from him.
Even if he has a good "defense" for shooting green shirt, black shirt did not really seem like a threat. He only turned to look when the man started blasting.
Even if he has a good "defense" for shooting green shirt, black shirt did not really seem like a threat. He only turned to look when the man started blasting.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:02 pm to Cracker
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Looks like he felt threatened
Felt threatened and being physically threatened are very different things in court.
You can't shoot someone everytime you feel threatened. You probably can shoot someone 100% of the time if they threatened you with a gun or physical violence.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:02 pm to tiggerthetooth
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A tug of war proceeded between the lifeguard and the young man over the bike, words were exchanged maybe even verbal assault which may have caused that child to think he needed back up.
Happening before would make it even clearer of their intentions and danger, but I still don’t know about the 2nd guy who got shot as unless he was brandishing a weapon he was not the second guy that quickly approached the lifeguard at his bike. He may have been with the other 2 but did not approach the lifeguard and kept walking in perpendicular direction away from the shooter. The 2nd guy who did approach the lifeguard had backed all the way out of the camera’s view. Shooter may have mixed up the 2 when he focused on first guy, fired gun, and then turned to his left for 2nd guy as the 2nd guy moved out of view leaving that third kid in expected area.
Regardless even if he had been the one to approach he would have had to retreat to be that far anway and shown that he was still being a danger that far away by other means like a gun or other weapon.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:03 pm to L.A.
old dude wasn't taking chances in Chicago. He was shooting before he got shot. 
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:06 pm to jaytothen
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Felt threatened and being physically threatened are very different things in court.
55yr old dude vs a group of youts... if he waited he'd have been rolled, curb stomped, robbed and pantsed... if not worse.
Herds of youts don't fight fair, don't stop when the victim is down and love going for the head.
frick'em.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:09 pm to L.A.
One of the ones he shot was nowhere near the two who converged on him. He was dressed similarly.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:15 pm to Auburn1968
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One of the ones he shot was nowhere near the two who converged on him. He was dressed similarly.
If a pack of dogs are coming at you and one or two are menacingly aggressive, are you- in the moment- worried about differentiating between them or are you worried about saving your arse by any means necessary?
Packs of youts are no different than feral animals.
It is a damn shame if an innocent caught lead- blame that on the lawlessness of Chicago and the reputation roving bands of youts have created for themselves. There is no room for benefit of the doubt when dealing with packs of ferals. Period.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:18 pm to 777Tiger
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maybe the yute in the green shirt was packing?
Green shirt looked like he was pulling something from his bag as he approached.
Shooting the wrong yute is going to send him away for a long time.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:21 pm to Auburn1968
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Shooting the wrong yute is going to send him away for a long time.
No doubt you're right... but at least he's still among the living. Chicago needs to get its shite together.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:21 pm to Auburn1968
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One of the ones he shot was nowhere near the two who converged on him. He was dressed similarly.
No he was acting like he was holding a gun (assuming you're talking about the one in turquoise).
There was obviously an attempt to rob this guy and they were probably going to tear him apart to while in the act.
Looks like the main guy that was in view was going to push that guy over and his fellow gang members were going to steal the bike and possibly commit violence on the man.
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:29 pm to L.A.
Well, he did his civic duty.
As a lifeguard
As a lifeguard
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:36 pm to L.A.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:44 pm to Riverside
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. The issue is whether a reasonable person would have felt threatened.
For deadly force?
I'm not an Illinois lawyer but I bet you need more
The fact that they're not a stand your ground state complicates it further
Immediate/gut reaction is that he's clearly in trouble. Big trouble, to be clear
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:44 pm to SoFla Tideroller
Of course, the families are calling for a hate crime to be added.
Being a lifeguard at Douglass Park would seem like a very strange job for a big racist. The North Lawndale neighborhood is about 90% black.
Being a lifeguard at Douglass Park would seem like a very strange job for a big racist. The North Lawndale neighborhood is about 90% black.
This post was edited on 6/29/25 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:48 pm to SoFla Tideroller
They had no good reason to approach/encircle him that way. He was watching them closely. When green shirt made his move...it was his last. Wouldn’t be shocked if shooter had been victimized before. Or that this group was terrorizing the area and Captain America had had enough. He’s not a lifeguard. He’s “The Lifeguard”.
Posted on 6/29/25 at 3:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
If that guy can claim self defense, then just let Karmelo Anthony free now.
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