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re: 504s and IEPs are out of control these days.....
Posted on 8/18/25 at 3:26 pm to AubieinNC2009
Posted on 8/18/25 at 3:26 pm to AubieinNC2009
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His IQ is 139.
Doubt it, nothing against your son but that would put him in the top 2% of the population
Average IQ here is 140, so he would fit right in.
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Posted on 8/18/25 at 3:29 pm to littleavery1948
That is so true, Jerry
Posted on 8/18/25 at 3:44 pm to jonboy
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a diagosed learning disability/medical issue...can't just walk in and say, "hey my son is dyslexic, give him extra time"
To be fair… getting an ADHD diagnosis is as easy as signing your name on a form. The “test” is a fricking joke.
Sit in this chair in this empty room and for 30 minutes press the button if a box appears on the top half of the screen.
Downvoted for facts? The TOVA test is a complete and total farce.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:03 pm to LSUguy2023
Let me tell y’all something...it’s way easier for a parent to get their kid diagnosed with ADHD and qualify for an IEP than it is for a child who’s actually diagnosed with dyslexia.
In Louisiana, schools typically won’t recognize dyslexia as a qualifying condition before third grade, even if you have medical documentation from a doctor. But thanks to how the state’s 504 plan legislation is written, it doesn’t take much to get an ADHD diagnosis, and schools are required to provide accommodations.
So, a lot of parents who know their child is struggling end up going the ADHD route, not necessarily because it’s accurate, but because it’s the path of least resistance to get their kid extra time and support.
The whole system is messed up. Schools prefer ADHD because regular teachers can handle those accommodations. But if a student is diagnosed with something like dyslexia, the school is legally required to bring in specially trained staff and that costs money. So, they avoid it. Its a fricked up system.
In Louisiana, schools typically won’t recognize dyslexia as a qualifying condition before third grade, even if you have medical documentation from a doctor. But thanks to how the state’s 504 plan legislation is written, it doesn’t take much to get an ADHD diagnosis, and schools are required to provide accommodations.
So, a lot of parents who know their child is struggling end up going the ADHD route, not necessarily because it’s accurate, but because it’s the path of least resistance to get their kid extra time and support.
The whole system is messed up. Schools prefer ADHD because regular teachers can handle those accommodations. But if a student is diagnosed with something like dyslexia, the school is legally required to bring in specially trained staff and that costs money. So, they avoid it. Its a fricked up system.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:17 pm to LSUguy2023
I have about 20 out of 123, but I teach at a higher end magnet school. ADA as it applies to schools is a huge drag on our system. Every time someone compares our school systems with those overseas, I reply, "How many IEPs and IAPs does the average teacher see each year?" The answer is "none", because those countries understand that a concept like "least restrictive environment" does not mean "shove them into regular ed. classes and tell the teacher to figure it out".
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:24 pm to LSUguy2023
The new buzz word is autistic…evert other kid is “ on the spectrum “….they holler, pitch fits, throw chairs and roll around on the floor. They need good ole fashioned discipline but that’s frowned upon now.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:25 pm to Joshjrn
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Very. The LSAT is not a “hard” test. It’s very difficult because you’re given a very, very short time period for each section. Statistically, people who get extra time vastly outperform those who don’t. And all you need is an ADD diagnosis.
Yeah, this is definitely inflating the scores of private school grads in EBR. At some point, a kid needs to be able to function without crutches.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:58 pm to jonboy
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a diagosed learning disability/medical issue...can't just walk in and say, "hey my son is dyslexic, give him extra time"
Docs hand those diagnoses out like candy especially because it often means they can sell a prescription too. Schools will often point students to the docs.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 4:59 pm to Locoguan0
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a concept like "least restrictive environment" does not mean "shove them into regular ed. classes and tell the teacher to figure it out".
Preach! Bring old school small-group classes for kids with learning disabilities. It took so much pressure off of the teachers and gave the students a more relaxed environment where they didn't feel left out.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:00 pm to markthetiger
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they holler, pitch fits, throw chairs and roll around on the floor. They need good ole fashioned discipline but that’s frowned upon now.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:04 pm to LSUguy2023
Maybe not everyone is suited to sit still and focus all day. Maybe medicating kids, inflating their test scores by giving them extra time, etc, is just allowing them to temporarily “succeed” but end up in a career they aren’t suited for and hate? Or have to take pills their whole life to be able to do? Maybe if they were allowed to be themselves they would be able to find what they ARE suited for and would thrive and enjoy their lives?
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:10 pm to HouseMom
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It's very easy to get an ADHD diagnosis, specifically since you can't exactly prove or disprove that someone has it. Part of what makes the diagnosis is a person having at least average (all the way to above average) intelligence, so it's really just lumping together a vague set of behaviors.
For example, when a student...
- is disorganized
- can't focus
- fidgets
- stares into space
- gets distracted easily
- etc, etc, etc,
Some kids absolutely benefit from taking medicine, but all kids will focus better in a small group and with extended time. So this is a "don't hate the player, hate the game" situation. Getting into college/competing for scholarships can be brutal now, so people do what they have to do.
I had all that shite, they said I was bored, tested me for gifted. That was also behind my pace and boring, but I didn't get in trouble for it any longer.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:12 pm to fastlane
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I used to be a teacher. 60% of all my students were on IEP or had some sort of ADHD meds. I was so naive to how medicated and how many kids have "disabilities".
More recess would help with a lot of that.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:16 pm to LSUguy2023
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My niece goes to a great high school and she tells me that half of her classes get shite like extended time, small group testing, etc.
Teenagers never exaggerate. But it is pretty easy to get 504 accommodations for ADHD. Learning disorders, not so much.
This post was edited on 8/18/25 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:19 pm to biohzrd
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Schools systems get extra funding for IEP students.
This is the answer.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:20 pm to whoa
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Every kid has trouble concentrating and focusing because screens have been pushed in their faces since childhood. So every kid has an ADD/ADHD diagnosis. Schools are to blame with the screens too. I had to ask my kid if they ever use pencil & paper anymore. Screens are destroying attention spans.
You are 100% correct. There is even evidence that writing by hand utilizes different parts of your brain than typing and leads to better retention. I asked that my 10-year-old only be given pencil and paper tests and to minimize the computers. The kids sitting in front of him are still screwing around on their computers, though, which distract him just as much as having one himself.
Posted on 8/18/25 at 5:24 pm to AubieinNC2009
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quote: His IQ is 139.
Doubt it, nothing against your son but that would put him in the top 2% of the population
They test IQ when diagnosing dyslexia through the school district. It’s standard. And 2% is 1 out of 50 people. You aren’t talking about something that unique.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:38 am to geauxtigahhhs
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Then they put the kid on pills
Mom takes half the pills.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:42 am to HouseMom
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example, when a student...
- is disorganized
- can't focus
- fidgets
- stares into space
- gets distracted easily
- etc, etc, etc,
This was me then and me now. But I went through school when they called it not applying himself. And social promoted me out of highschool.
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:50 am to HouseMom
quote:Now find 100K more SPED teachers.
Preach! Bring old school small-group classes for kids with learning disabilities. It took so much pressure off of the teachers and gave the students a more relaxed environment where they didn't feel left out.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 11:17 am
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