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5-year and 30-year Treasury yields invert for the first time since 2006

Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:55 am
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17353 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:55 am
This trend tends to foreshadow an upcoming recession.

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5-year and 30-year Treasury yields invert for the first time since 2006, fueling recession fears

CNBC

U.S. 5-year and 30-year Treasury yields on Monday inverted for the first time since 2006, raising fears of a possible recession.

The yield on the 5-year Treasury note rose to 2.56%, while the 30-year yield fell to 2.55%. This is the first time the shorter-dated 5-year Treasury yield has risen above that of the longer-dated 30-year U.S. government bond since 2006 — just a couple of years before the Global Financial Crisis.

At its high of the session, the 5-year yield hit a high of 2.67%.


quote:

Historically, the yield curve has inverted prior to recessions indicating their concern about the health of the economy.

“With the Fed set to hike into restrictive territory, the curve will invert,” said Seth Carpenter, chief global economist at Morgan Stanley. “As has always been the case in the past, markets will debate whether an inversion presages a recession. A policy mistake that causes a recession is clearly possible, but our baseline is that an inversion without a recession is more likely.”
Posted by KwoodTiger
Member since Aug 2011
1118 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:58 am to
quote:

our baseline is that an inversion without a recession is more likely

Has never happened.

But, from the same guys behind the Morgan Stanley Fade so not surprising.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6765 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:58 am to
:topguninvertedgif:
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 8:59 am to
well, that's not good, but hardly unexpected.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
69081 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:00 am to
It’s the economy stupid
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:02 am to
WTF did my generation do to piss God off so much?

.com bust, terrorist attack, two wars, Great Recession, the 2016 riots, Covid, the 2020 riots, Joe Biden, a possible WW3, and now this.

At least the boomers had occasional 5-10 year stretches of relative normalcy.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 9:03 am
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
66950 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:04 am to
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Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18704 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:05 am to
quote:

WTF did my generation do to piss God off so much?

.com bust, terrorist attack, two wars, Great Recession, the 2016 riots, Covid, the 2020 riots, Joe Biden, a possible WW3, and now this.

At least the boomers had occasional 5-10 year stretches of relative normalcy.


Boomers have just as many examples, you're just not thinking of them.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:05 am to
quote:

but our baseline is that an inversion without a recession is more likely.”



My interpretation of this is this guy believes that the velocity of money will stay sufficiently high during this inflationary period to stave off a recession. It will feel like a recession but inflation will foster enough GDP growth to not meet the technical definition of a recession.

We shall see.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:07 am to
quote:

but our baseline is that an inversion without a recession is more likely


ok

A recession is coming. Deal with it.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73599 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:08 am to
quote:

This trend tends to foreshadow an upcoming recession.


We’ll be lucky if what’s that’s coming is just a recession.
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68544 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:09 am to
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the health of the economy

Cough, cough
Posted by KwoodTiger
Member since Aug 2011
1118 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:09 am to
quote:

A recession is coming. Deal with it.

Exactly. “This time” is never different.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:09 am to
80s had the potential for nuclear war at any time, SnL crisis, soaring interest rates, farm foreclosures - there were some decent years in there, but it was pretty dicey most of the time. The 90s were the best time I recall, but even then, there were years where things got wonky. 2000s there was 9-11, the great recession, a couple of wars.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138908 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:11 am to
It's good to finally have the adults back in the room again
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24238 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:11 am to
quote:

A policy mistake that causes a recession is clearly possible, but our baseline is that an inversion without a recession is more likely.”

What makes him say that is more likely? Hasn't history shown him to be wrong?

What am I missing?
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33142 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:12 am to
quote:

My interpretation of this is this guy believes that the velocity of money will stay sufficiently high during this inflationary period to stave off a recession. It will feel like a recession but inflation will foster enough GDP growth to not meet the technical definition of a recession.



Oh we are trying to do what Japan did since the 1990s.

Because that worked so well.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49071 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:20 am to
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Boomers have just as many examples, you're just not thinking of them.


Yea murder of student protesters at Kent State(Vietnam) and Southern University(Civil Rights) come to mind.

Selma

JFK/MLK

17% mortgage Interest rates

OPEC Oil Crisis.

Vietnam

Cuban Missile Crisis/Bay Of Pigs

Cyanide in Tylenol

Summer of Sam

Aids

Yea This wasn't very well thought out on his part as 61-82 was quite tumultuous.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 9:23 am
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
20378 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:20 am to
quote:

5-year and 30-year Treasury yields invert for the first time since 2006


Just smack’em on the arse and they’ll pop back to where they’re supposed to be.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
50721 posts
Posted on 3/29/22 at 9:34 am to
Wait, you can’t print trillions of free dollars without causing massive inflation and a recession? I’m shocked. SHOCKED!
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