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re: 250K Americans die per year from ER misdiagnosis.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:59 am to BROpaneTANK
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:59 am to BROpaneTANK
quote:Don’t get me wrong, costs in healthcare are astronomical, but that “generally” isn’t a factor in ERs.
The real problem is cost of healthcare no matter insurance. How many people get misdiagnosed because an MRI, or CT doesn’t get run because of high cost? Im willing to wager that if the costs of scans, X-rays, and labs weren’t astronomical we’d see a respectable decrease in this number.
Availability of the test itself is more of an issue than cost being a factor.
For example, MRIs are hard to obtain for kids due to how long it takes to run one, acuity of other patients, etc.
And people need to recognize that medicine is not like being a mechanic.
It is triage, figuring out what you can with limited info, all while balancing the fact that you have 40 more in the waiting room.
On top of all of that, those small town ERs are only slightly better than urgent cares.
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:59 am to saturday
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Women and people of color had a 20-30% higher chance of being misdiagnosed Are we supposed to believe this is the case for everything?
Only when it can be used for them to get more. I haven’t seen the article calling for women to be written more tickets.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:59 am to GumboPot
I almost died because of a misdiagnosis by an ER triage nurse at Our Lady of the Lake Hospital. Thankfully, the ER doctor that finally examined me hours later correctly diagnosed my life threatening condition. It was a close call, but I survived after emergency surgery and more than a week in the hospital. I won't go to the the ER at OLOL ever again.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 11:59 am to Hoops
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Lost me here. 250k out of how many interactions?
Dead, not bungled. Many than 250k more living with injuries caused by bungled medical procedures.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:01 pm to GumboPot
Been saying this for a long time about our medical community.
Not shocked, thought it would be higher.
But hey they can do a man tik tok video tho
Not shocked, thought it would be higher.
But hey they can do a man tik tok video tho
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:01 pm to bad93ex
quote:All over the place.
Do you have urgent care clinics in your area? I think this is a big factor if they use the ER or not since in places that I have lived previously the only place to get medical care outside of waiting for months to get into an 8-5 clinic was to make a visit to the ER and wait several hours.
There are probably dozens.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:02 pm to GumboPot
The ER is just primary care for poors and illegals
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:03 pm to GumboPot
How many were saved?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:05 pm to Scruffy
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All over the place.
There are probably dozens.
I just went by what I have done personally for ER visits and what my nurse wife and her friends have told me. That is sad that people with insurance are still relying on the ER for a regular doctor visit. Last time that I went to the ER was for a snake bite (copperhead) that was beginning to swell up.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:09 pm to Scruffy
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It is triage, figuring out what you can with limited info, all while balancing the fact that you have 40 more in the waiting room.
Wow baw that sounds really hard, you really are a hero
Good thing you got the Pfizer kickback cruise to look forward to
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:11 pm to Cosmo
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They arent supposed to be able to read one
Maybe he meant the “Impression” at the bottom of the dictation??
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:14 pm to el Gaucho
quote:I’ll stream it for you in my next TikTok video.
Good thing you got the Pfizer kickback cruise to look forward to
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:17 pm to GumboPot
Shocker. Most doctors are retarded. This shouldn't be new news. It is very hard to find a good knowledgeable doctor who keeps up on research and really tries to fix problems. Most today just throw some pills at you, roll their eyes at your symptoms, and pack 100 patients a day in while blindly and cowardly following what the hospital administration tells them to do.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:18 pm to GumboPot
They are all Vaxed and double boosted tho...
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:20 pm to Scruffy
not just that, but there are about 136 million ER visits a year in the United States.
250k deaths is a misdiagnosis death rate of 0.18%
250k deaths is a misdiagnosis death rate of 0.18%
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:20 pm to ShoeBang
As a lawyer that had actually tried medical malpractice cases, let me correct that perception. Independent sources have repeatedly indicated that somewhere between 500,000 and 1 million Americans die from preventable medical errors every year. This isn’t debatable anymore. It’s a leading cause of death in America and was been forever.
However, medical malpractice isn’t based upon negligence the doctors have a different standard than everyone else, the error has to be so egregious that even the worst barely licensed doctor or medical student right out of of school wouldn’t commit it. It’s called the minimum standard of care, or it’s really gross negligence plus.
So doctors here are legally allowed to negligently kill you any day and twice on Sunday. Also they have enacted so many caps on damages etc that 99 % of the cases in most states just aren’t feasible to take by the time you add in the 100k plus in expert fees etc. and they win 92 % of cases because juries are reluctant to admit their local medical care sucks, least they are also at risk.
For example in Mississippi, and we have some really shitty doctors, (not overall but we have some bad ones on the bottom) there are only dozen or two firms that do malpractice, and typically only a few dozen cases filed in the whole state. I never touch them.
So they can negligently kill the whole state without recourse. You would be 1000x more successful to do doctor divorce’s that’s a lucrative practice.
You are on your own with your medical care in the South, you need to protect yourself as you receive care the best you can, and know the 12 or so things they never catch and the signs and be an informed patient the best you can, and pray.
That we have the best medical care on the planet is a myth generated by those who make billions of the system to try to justify the absurd cost, because we are for the most expensive healthcare system probably in the whole universe
However, medical malpractice isn’t based upon negligence the doctors have a different standard than everyone else, the error has to be so egregious that even the worst barely licensed doctor or medical student right out of of school wouldn’t commit it. It’s called the minimum standard of care, or it’s really gross negligence plus.
So doctors here are legally allowed to negligently kill you any day and twice on Sunday. Also they have enacted so many caps on damages etc that 99 % of the cases in most states just aren’t feasible to take by the time you add in the 100k plus in expert fees etc. and they win 92 % of cases because juries are reluctant to admit their local medical care sucks, least they are also at risk.
For example in Mississippi, and we have some really shitty doctors, (not overall but we have some bad ones on the bottom) there are only dozen or two firms that do malpractice, and typically only a few dozen cases filed in the whole state. I never touch them.
So they can negligently kill the whole state without recourse. You would be 1000x more successful to do doctor divorce’s that’s a lucrative practice.
You are on your own with your medical care in the South, you need to protect yourself as you receive care the best you can, and know the 12 or so things they never catch and the signs and be an informed patient the best you can, and pray.
That we have the best medical care on the planet is a myth generated by those who make billions of the system to try to justify the absurd cost, because we are for the most expensive healthcare system probably in the whole universe
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:24 pm to Cosmo
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Women and people of color had a 20-30% higher chance of being misdiagnosed
Stopped reading right there
Why? Women deal with more complications due to giving birth and all of their female parts, etc and a large amount of people of color live in poverty and likely don't see the best doctors.
Does that not make sense?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:26 pm to OweO
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Women deal with more complications due to giving birth and all of their female parts
What does this have to do with a misdiagnosis?
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a large amount of people of color live in poverty and likely don't see the best doctors.
We are talking about ERs here not their doctors they see
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:34 pm to LBro337
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As someone who works in Healthcare and in close contact with ERs, I don't disagree with this. ER doctors are often overworked and understaffed. Instead of being able to focus on critical care patients, physicians are often bombarded with colds, STD checks and other illness that a PCP or Urgent Care could better handle.
I've been saying this to my hospitalist friend for years. I don't understand why ERs don't have better triage and have an onsite 24hr convenient care attached to the ER.
Triage and move to ER or convenient care. Done.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 12:38 pm to GumboPot
Meanwhile, somewhere in an alternate universe....
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