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re: 2/3 of teachers surveyed in Texas considering going peace out
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:14 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:14 pm to GRTiger
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Where are all these unproductive, awful, borderline idiots in school admins coming from? Like what were they before a school admin? What is their educational background? In most other professions, management typically comes from the pool of personnel they manage, and theoretically they are the high performers from that pool. I assume it's not the case that admin personnel are former high performing teachers since they are apparently mostly idiots that are causing all the problems in public schools despite teachers'best efforts. But I honestly don't know.
2 comments from my time in education administration.
One dude I met was a legit baw. Principal who liked to party. I liked him as a guy to talk sports with. I’m sure he was a fine history teacher and coach in his day, but he had no business being a principal.
Scores dropped under him and he had faculty retention problems. Dude 100% should have been fired. Instead he gets promoted to a new made up administration position. It was basically energy management where they put out signs to turn off lights, etc. I was the network coordinator and installed a server that did automated heating and cooling.
Under his first year of administration, they announced we reduced our power by $15k.
We also payed his $80k salary, paid $10k for a new server, and $30k licensing for the new server.
They saw that $15k as an absolute win for the district. Complete instance of failing upwards.
Second story. A few years back I was working with a new teacher who was fresh out of the Army. Attack helicopter pilot with a masters degree and no nonsense. Great dude, just not who you’d expect to want to be an elementary teacher, but he was passionate about it. He lasted a year and left despite being very well liked.
I ended up reconnecting with him a few years later and he moved to a classical school to teach logic, Latin, and PE.
I asked why he was at our previous district for so short a time and he said that there was immense pressure for him to try and get and administrator certification. He said, no, I want to teach kids and be with them, I don’t want to be in Admin or go to a higher performing school. His principal said that if you weren’t looking to move up, then there really wasn’t a reason to stick around because they saw that as being lazy or content. He should always want to be bettering himself. He said if we’re trying to keep high performing teachers, shouldn’t we NOT be trying to get them out of the classroom? This was dismissed and he started looking around immediately.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 4:17 pm
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Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:16 pm to TOPAL
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Going to get worse; Hispanics kids are flooding the school system throughout the whole state. frick open borders
I'm not in Texas, but my experience has been the exact opposite. The Hispanic kids that are in my classes are by and large among the most motivated and highest achieving kids I teach.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:17 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Agree, but how do you judge performance?
Just like any other job, through observations, attendance, customer surveys, and how much students progressed while in your class. Does that require management to do some managing? Yes, but that’s what they get paid for.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:18 pm to LSUFanHouston
Oh boo hoo they have to come to work every day in person. 
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:19 pm to cssamerican
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how much students progressed while in your class
IMO we do a poor job of evaluating this. Particularly in districts where kids are passed and not held back for not meeting benchmarks in K-5 and enter middle reading on a 1st grade level.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I know this board loves to hate teachers.
Only the ones that constantly beg for more money while doing less work. And the stupid POS's that support such nonsense.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:26 pm to tigergirl10
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No. Teachers have in services, continuing education classes, conferences, lesson planning, 2nd jobs,
So where's the part that separates them from other professions?
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report back very beginning of August.
Got it
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:29 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Half of this board would quit teaching a couple days in with what public schools teachers put up with.
Absolutely. Which is probably why we didn’t choose to become teachers.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:33 pm to LSUFanHouston
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...according to the Texas American Federation of Teachers.
Harris County and Austin progfilth.
Here's Houston ISD leadership
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:35 pm to LSUFanHouston
I’ve been teaching for 26 years in Louisiana public schools, and I’ve never seen morale close to as low as it is now.
I’m not talking about whining, that’s always been there. I’d like to shove rolled up socks down the throats of about half of my colleagues because of it.
I’m not talking about whining, that’s always been there. I’d like to shove rolled up socks down the throats of about half of my colleagues because of it.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:38 pm to tigergirl10
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No. Teachers have in services, continuing education classes, conferences, lesson planning, 2nd jobs, and report back very beginning of August. Not sure why most people don’t know this.
I’ve got a lot of teachers in the family. I know they work their arse off and in SC specifically they are underpaid.
However, as someone alluded too teachers act like so many other professions don’t also include extras duties outside of what most people think they do.
Hell, many schools give teachers a specific free period to work on these types of things. What other job does this?
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:46 pm to Horsemeat
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I don't hate teachers, my family is loaded with them. What I hate is their incessant whining about having to work when they get summers and every holiday off, acting like they're being persecuted - meanwhile before I got sick I've missed every Mardi Gras, Easter, 4th, birthdays, even a few Thanksgivings because of work. Freight has to be hauled and I'm happy to do it. It's the whining about OH POOR US WE HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND ITS ONLY 28 DEGREES OUTSIDE that drives me insane.
They're underpaid and need raises, just shut the hell up about all of the other crap because there are worse jobs in this world. A lot of jobs have it worse.
Exactly, the only days we arent operating is if its Christmas day or Easter. The only other times is if a hurricane is hitting like Ida. Only two scheduled days of shutdown.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:50 pm to Methuselah
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I'm not in Texas, but my experience has been the exact opposite. The Hispanic kids that are in my classes are by and large among the most motivated and highest achieving kids I teach.
Agree, outside of Asian kids.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:52 pm to Methuselah
quote:right.
I teach in a public school (albeit in the STEM program) and I love it. One thing that helps me, I think, is that I worked outside of teaching for a long time before switching over.
lots of teachers and principals are people who have been "in school" as students or employees for their entire lives (i find this pretty crazy tbh). wtf do they know about "working"?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:56 pm to Methuselah
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The Hispanic kids that are in my classes are by and large among the most motivated and highest achieving kids I teach.
You mean they don't want to just tiktok all day?
Posted on 2/12/22 at 4:56 pm to Methuselah
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During the school year is a different matter. I find to do a good job it is necessary to do planning and grading on off hours. The 'planning' time provided during school is just not sufficient and they often interfere with it with meetings, covering for absent teachers, and other 'duties'. I'm kind of weird in that I don't much mind doing the prep. With technology it is kind of like playing on the computer. A little reading. A little research. A little typing. Almost like being on TigerDroppings.
I know you said you don’t mind doing the prep so not directing this specifically at you, but in general what salaried positions don’t require some planning, communicating, and even some actual work off scheduled hours to be successful?
Below is only just our local experience and more anecdotal to our specific experience:
District my kids went to was pretty standardized across district with lesson planning, school, and tests. Years ago for one in middle school I couldn’t even be sent some questions to see my kid’s work on a test question to figure out what issue was as it would be reused across district. Same with review work for tests as if we thought one was wrong another teacher could answer. Some teachers would take off review day or test day as they could not adjust test dates (for a few with Monday tests they really just wanted 3 day weekend) leaving a substitute to go over review or answer last minute questions right before test. By middle school They also had already moved to doing some quizzes/tests online in classroom along with some other assignments using devices in classrooms and/or at home. In high school this kept increasing even before Wuhan. I think a big part of standardization and online use before Wuhan was fast growth and needing to hire certain number relatively new teachers and teachers outside of district for new schools (or to fill spots in existing schools from moving some teachers to new school).
With Wuhan it seemed to be done for almost everything and for most part tried to be paperless (kids could still use paper but would take a picture of anything student either decided to handwrite or just needed to show work like for a math question input online). They had to make at home and in person as close to possible with actual assignments performed. Also in person students having to quarantine needed to easily transition into at home learning and back. Greater than 90% of those quarantined never tested positive or got sick during their quarantine from the contact that caused quarantine in first place, and some had this happen multiple times forcing standardization top down to teachers and using same online program in class and at home. Learning in class was better than viewing it on a screen, but outside of scheduled times for tutoring availability for additional help or what was required to retest i would see a lot of teachers pulling in while in line dropping kid off and pulling away while in line to pick up then drive by 3 other schools on way home to see parking lots mostly empty for schools with final bell just an hour or just half an hour earlier than my kid’s school. For elementary schools any cars still in lot would be hard to distinguish between teachers working late or teachers or other staffing used for after school daycare programs, but even with those programs parking lots still mostly empty (not completely empty but mostly compared to driving by during school hours including elementary and middle school without student parking).
I could generally count of them to respond before end of night to a clarifying question if needed (some did answer on way out the door to take kid to school next morning), but I struggle to label that as abnormal for salaried work. If anything answering something sent by student or parent usually made things easier for them the next day as in many cases that same clarification needed to be send out to all students. I am sure they would do more than answer and send a few emails at home, but I still don’t think that’s abnormal for salary work as some days they could get in and out of school building in under 8 hours.
I understand that teaching can be hard even with supportive parents and good kids, but in our experience the time spent doing work during the day doesn’t seem remotely extreme for salaried workers.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 5:03 pm to Methuselah
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I'm not in Texas, but my experience has been the exact opposite. The Hispanic kids that are in my classes are by and large among the most motivated and highest achieving kids I teach.
You must not teach a lot of children whose parents or grandparents immigrated from India.
This can be taken in different ways, but in Texas hispanics including freshly arrived and with English not primary language at home if at all as a group end up passing up blacks on standardized testing.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 5:10 pm to TOPAL
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Going to get worse; Hispanics kids are flooding the school system throughout the whole state. frick open borders
Hispanic kids have been flooding the Texas ISDs for centuries - this is nothing new
Ironically, I think there are more non-Hispanics in Brownsville now than when we lived there when I was a kid
Posted on 2/12/22 at 5:15 pm to GRTiger
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This seems like a common theme when performance is discussed.
Where are all these unproductive, awful, borderline idiots in school admins coming from? Like what were they before a school admin? What is their educational background? In most other professions, management typically comes from the pool of personnel they manage, and theoretically they are the high performers from that pool. I assume it's not the case that admin personnel are former high performing teachers since they are apparently mostly idiots that are causing all the problems in public schools despite teachers'best efforts. But I honestly don't know.
This is a good question. I've had mostly good admin (or at least mostly admins I get along with), but I've been thinking about why there seem to be so many ones out there doing poor jobs. Best theories I've come up with are: (warning - this got pretty long).
Because it's a government bureaucracy, a huge part of people getting promoted to administration is based on getting advanced degrees in this or that education area. This narrows the pool down to those who want to go through the expense and work of doing that which cuts out a large number of people that would be good at it. I think it also kind of embitters even those who shelled out the money to get the degree to get the promotion. Also, just judging from results, I'm thinking the stuff taught in the classes to get those degrees may not be that great. (Management skills are often lacking for one).
Another factor may be that public education is more of a political game than many private industries. I think it might take a lot of friend-making and clique-joining to move up in many places.
Another is that many people who are really good love to teach and hesitate to move up because with every step you have less and less contact with the students. Say if a teacher has 3 or 4 blocks of teaching. Become a mentor teacher and it goes down to 2 or 3. Become a master teacher and it goes down to 1 or 2. Become a assistant principal or a principal and it's none. Thus, some of the best self-select out of administration.
Finally, the school or building administration often are getting heat themselves from those middle management types in the districts that we talked about earlier. People who have read or worse bought the latest and greatest theory or program and now pass down the grunt work of implementing this new process to the school admin and teachers. Then in a year or two that one will be junked and a new one will be instituted.
Posted on 2/12/22 at 5:19 pm to LSUFanHouston
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What's going to happen if teachers finally say that's enough and peace out en masse?
Nothing. These people have no marketable skills. They can't do anything else.
Stop pretending teachers do something amazing.
ETA: I should clarify that my comment mostly applies to English, foreign language, PE, band, history, choir-type teachers. Math and science teachers probably could be marketable, and special ed teachers absolutely provide a service that is valuable even though there isn't much of a market for their services outside of public schools without specializing.
This post was edited on 2/12/22 at 5:26 pm
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