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Terron Armstead: let's talk his future
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:59 am
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TA has yet to play an entire season. 2019 he missed only one game, but he played through a wrist injury down the stretch. It is unfortunate, but it is truth that he is not someone we can ever count on to be there playing due to his injury history.
On the other hand he is one of the elite players at the position, and that is extremely difficult to replace. Teams are constantly searching and failing to find good or better LTs, and we have one of the absolute best. He and Ram make up the best pair of OTs in the league.
He has two years remaining on his contract, and he is due 11.7mil each. His cap number in 2020 is 16mil, and his dead cap is 6mil. In 2021 they are 14 and 2 respectively.
I don't think he is here after this contract is finished. That is too much money to invest in someone who plays less than 70% of the time due to injury. Maybe he plays next year injury free though, and he proves he can be reliable. In that case, do we extend him?
Trade: Is he someone we can trade this year with such a rich draft overall? Or is the cap hit not worth the trade now and better to do so next year?
I think LT is more of a need than what it appears to be on the surface. That 1st round pick might be smart to invest in the future LT, let TA play out this 2020 season and then trade him in 2021. Reading through Walter Football, Austin Jackson from USC looks like a good fit for us. I don't know much about the OTs in the draft this year or where they will fall, but targeting someone like this would give us great depth in 2020 with a solid replacement for the future. Or grabbing a raw talent in mid rounds who needs to develop (if this player does exist in this draft) just as we did with Armstead.
TA has yet to play an entire season. 2019 he missed only one game, but he played through a wrist injury down the stretch. It is unfortunate, but it is truth that he is not someone we can ever count on to be there playing due to his injury history.
On the other hand he is one of the elite players at the position, and that is extremely difficult to replace. Teams are constantly searching and failing to find good or better LTs, and we have one of the absolute best. He and Ram make up the best pair of OTs in the league.
He has two years remaining on his contract, and he is due 11.7mil each. His cap number in 2020 is 16mil, and his dead cap is 6mil. In 2021 they are 14 and 2 respectively.
I don't think he is here after this contract is finished. That is too much money to invest in someone who plays less than 70% of the time due to injury. Maybe he plays next year injury free though, and he proves he can be reliable. In that case, do we extend him?
Trade: Is he someone we can trade this year with such a rich draft overall? Or is the cap hit not worth the trade now and better to do so next year?
I think LT is more of a need than what it appears to be on the surface. That 1st round pick might be smart to invest in the future LT, let TA play out this 2020 season and then trade him in 2021. Reading through Walter Football, Austin Jackson from USC looks like a good fit for us. I don't know much about the OTs in the draft this year or where they will fall, but targeting someone like this would give us great depth in 2020 with a solid replacement for the future. Or grabbing a raw talent in mid rounds who needs to develop (if this player does exist in this draft) just as we did with Armstead.
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:08 am to Midget Death Squad
So, for years I’ve bashed fans for wanting to trade him. He absolutely has health concerns but he is a legit top 3 LT in the nfl. On top of that his contract is pretty much a bargain considering what the going rate is. With that being said i think it’s time to move him and you can probably move him for significant value. I say move him because we won’t have to replace the LT position. Ram will be your LT and i believe he is the LT of our future. That does open a hole at the RT position but i think that is something they can manage in the offseason.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:14 am to RawDog7984
I don't think it's an easy decision one way or the other, but I am leaning towards trading him for some value is the best option. I'm not sure I move Ram to LT, since he is the best in the league at RT right now. On the other hand, RT is easier to fill than LT, so if he can move to that side and still be highly effective then it's certainly a good option.
How good are the OTs in the draft this year? Who has some good insight on this?
How good are the OTs in the draft this year? Who has some good insight on this?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:14 am to RawDog7984
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He absolutely has health concerns but he is a legit top 3 LT in the nfl.
I've watched him get bulldozed a lot this season. I'm not sure if he's just gimpy due to injury, but this was his worst season IMO.
I know people are screaming for another wideout to complement MT13, but I would be disappointed if we don't go after a tackle and at least another interior lineman. Drew was pretty horrid last game, but a huge part of his game is establishing a rhythm with his receivers. If you don't give him the opportunity to survey the field his game is not going to be good.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:33 am to bountyhunter
I’ll keep saying it until the draft. We need to draft an OT who can take over Peat’s spot at OG. That player can move outside when Armstead gets hurt and can replace him in a year or two.
I Kind of like Josh Jones out of Houston. Could start him at OG next to Armstead, then move him to RT and move Ramczyk to LT. Only concern with Jones is maybe strength/weight for OG position. But we will see once he goes to the combine.
I Kind of like Josh Jones out of Houston. Could start him at OG next to Armstead, then move him to RT and move Ramczyk to LT. Only concern with Jones is maybe strength/weight for OG position. But we will see once he goes to the combine.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:33 am to bountyhunter
I think you try to move him when Ram's contract comes up. Move Ram to the left and draft or pick up a good Right Tackle.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:51 am to Suntiger
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We need to draft an OT who can take over Peat’s spot at OG.
I understand your logic but the odds of there being a random OT who can move to G at the time of our pick, and has the correct value for that pick aren’t great. I’d rather a true G replace Peat. Using a 1st, especially late 1st for a G wouldn’t bother me one bit. I wouldn’t trade TA, but I’d let him walk when his contract is up. Maybe draft someone in mid rounds to develop for a year or 2
Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:57 am to Midget Death Squad
TA stays at least one more year; drafting a backup/possible replacement is absolutely on the table if available. Health affects trade value probably too much, better to keep him, he's an elite Tackle when healthy out there and integral part of lockerroom.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:06 am to bountyhunter
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I've watched him get bulldozed a lot this season. I'm not sure if he's just gimpy due to injury, but this was his worst season IMO.
noticeably out of shape this season, probably due to recurring injuries
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:13 am to windshieldman
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I’d rather a true G replace Peat
I agree completely. The Peat at T/G experiment was a mild success, but it's not something that happens very often. I think we need to focus on OT in the first and roll with Easton at LG. Use the 3rd for WR, since this draft is very deep at the position. We should find a 1/2 ranged WR in any other draft at the 3 spot this year.
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I’d let him walk when his contract is up
I think we get more value in trading him than we do in comp picks. Someone will throw a 1+3 at us if not more. That's a lot to deny for a guy you don't intend to keep.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 10:33 am to Midget Death Squad
Adreas Peat played like sh!t last week. Looked slow and out of shape.
He is the only one I do not want back.
He is the only one I do not want back.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:09 am to Midget Death Squad
I don't think you can get rid of him until you're sure his long term replacement is in the building.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:16 am to windshieldman
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I’d rather a true G replace Peat.
Why limit yourself? OTs move inside all the time and have success. Look at La’el Collins, Jason Spriggs, Justin Britt, Caleb Benenoch, Jeff Allen, James Carpenter and dozens of other guys.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 11:16 am to Midget Death Squad
He will either get extended or play out his current deal.
He isn't going anywhere
Especially since we need a lg
He isn't going anywhere
Especially since we need a lg
Posted on 1/8/20 at 12:24 pm to Midget Death Squad
Unless a team offers a 1, you should absolutely keep him. You need to keep him until a viable replacement shows up. You go into the season blind and I could be disastrous.
Posted on 1/8/20 at 12:32 pm to htran90
what about a swap for trent williams?
Posted on 1/8/20 at 12:35 pm to Midget Death Squad
Using draft picks on OL is a wise investment
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 1/8/20 at 1:31 pm to Midget Death Squad
Left guard seems like the bigger area of concern at the moment. Peat was a big factor in why Brees couldn't get a rhythym going
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:04 am to Midget Death Squad
I’m not sure you understand just how slim the pickings are in the NFL for good, true starting LT’s. Teams are overpaying for average at best guys to play tackle and getting nothing for their investment. Look at Trent Brown in Oakland. Terron didn’t have his best season but he’s still a top flight LT in this league and most likely the most agile which is crucial for our offense. Peat is the guy that needs replacing and will be replaced wether that’s in the draft or if they decide to keep Easton who actually played well this year. The team is still high on Cameron Tom and could save a little money for other needs by plugging him in at LG. Ramcyzk has stated he prefers the right side and I wouldn’t mess with that by moving him over. Be happy you have the best RT in football hands down and a top 5 LT on the other side.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 2:06 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:17 am to LSU_30A
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I’m not sure you understand just how slim the pickings are in the NFL for good, true starting LT’s
From OP:
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he is one of the elite players at the position, and that is extremely difficult to replace. Teams are constantly searching and failing to find good or better LTs, and we have one of the absolute best
It's as if you didn't even read before typing your response
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