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re: Sean Payton says he wants the 2nd Amendment repealed; Gun rights are "silly stuff"
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:21 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:21 am to Lester Earl
quote:I guarantee Payton whines about the people who opine guns should be legal
I love people that whine when people have different opinions then them
And here you are whining about peopke whining about opinions
And I am whining about that
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Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:25 am to SirWinston
So? He can have his opinion like every other citizen.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:26 am to SirWinston
"Disagreeing with me on gun rights" isn't enough for me to dislike the man who lead the Saints to a super bowl
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:43 am to Lake Vegas Tiger
Are you going to lead by example, stick to doing your job and not voice your opinions? “I don’t agree with your politics, so shut up” is a two way street.
And if everyone “sticks to there jobs” and stays out of politics, the only people in politics are the politicians. Not an ideal plan.
And if everyone “sticks to there jobs” and stays out of politics, the only people in politics are the politicians. Not an ideal plan.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:53 am to Lester Earl
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to act like a 250 year old law will & should always be applicable is kind of silly though.
It's kind of crazy to me that one can look at the Bill or Rights and not only fail to treat it as "sacred", but question it's applicability based on age.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:54 pm to moneyg
Doesn't need to be repealed. It just needs to be interpreted differently. Supreme Court Justices in the 30's interpreted and ruled the 2nd Amendment language was a reference to a states' right to form a militia via armed citizen volunteers with a collective purpose to protect the state against foreign invaders, since we did not always maintain a standing continental/federal army.
It wasn't until recently that we had another set of Justices interpret the 2nd amendment as an individual right. At the end of the day, the Justices are simply human beings whose interpretative skills are vulnerable to human prejudices, biases and special interest/political pressure. The Justices just have a fancier, polished way of justifying why people need their assault rifles.
If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood. So I need to be able to choot'em all when it happens. Oh, and by the way, my hobby and fetish is more important than the lives of those slaughtered children, mothers, and siblings." That's pretty much the extent of the crazy. They are simply the same kids from school who always started the school race war rumors and never grew out of it. They are shrouded in paranoia.
It wasn't until recently that we had another set of Justices interpret the 2nd amendment as an individual right. At the end of the day, the Justices are simply human beings whose interpretative skills are vulnerable to human prejudices, biases and special interest/political pressure. The Justices just have a fancier, polished way of justifying why people need their assault rifles.
If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood. So I need to be able to choot'em all when it happens. Oh, and by the way, my hobby and fetish is more important than the lives of those slaughtered children, mothers, and siblings." That's pretty much the extent of the crazy. They are simply the same kids from school who always started the school race war rumors and never grew out of it. They are shrouded in paranoia.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:55 pm to SirWinston
I respect his opinion as long as he isnt trying to throw it down my throat. He is entitled to his opinion and i'm entitled to mine.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:59 pm to moneyg
quote:
It's kind of crazy to me that one can look at the Bill or Rights and not only fail to treat it as "sacred", but question it's applicability based on age.
So you think Thomas Jefferson was crazy - author of many of your so called sacred documents. He said this about the need to have laws evolve (it's carved into his memorial:
“I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and Constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, new truths discovered and manners and opinions change, with the change of circumstances, institutions must advance also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain ever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors.”
Posted on 3/29/18 at 1:31 pm to SirWinston
This thread is telling Sean Payton to stick to coaching instead of expressing his opinion on politics by people expressing their opinion on coaching and politics who aren’t in coaching or politics. Perfect.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:04 pm to DaCajun1
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If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood. So I need to be able to choot'em all when it happens. Oh, and by the way, my hobby and fetish is more important than the lives of those slaughtered children, mothers, and siblings."
Do you really believe this is the case for gun defenders? I'm a gun defender, so let me briefly explain my stance. I certainly cannot speak for all, but I'd imagine that most of whom staunchly defend the 2nd Amendment likely see things similar to me here...
1) I like to hunt. While I have different caliber rifles, I mostly use my AR. I have a .300 Blackout conversion upper, so I can use a 30 cal bullet, which is more human for deer hunting. Also, my 8 yr old son was able to use it because it is lightweight, and has a super long spring which dampens recoil. A normal 30 caliber rifle would be too heavy for him, and kick too much.
2) I live on a large area of land. We occasionally get coyotes, bobcats, and even once saw a panther, on our property. So yes, me trying to take out potentially hazardous animals with a pistol from over 100 yards of range, would be ludicrous. Hence, the AR is perfect for it.
3) I like to target shoot. Is that ok? Or is that some kind of "fetish" that is inappropriate?
4) Home and land defense. MANY law enforcement officers will back me on this. Simply... what is better for defense, a pistol or a rilfe/AR. Hands down, its the rifle. So why would I not want the best mode of defense for my family if the unfortunate event of an attempted home invasion were to occur? If I used a pistol in this scenario, that I could be outgunned if I'm facing 2, 3, or more perpetrators which are all armed with pistols. I'm outgunned because I'm out-manned. Or, lets say just one perpetrator has an AR. Now I would be very outgunned. So again, why not prepare myself for home defense in the best way possible?
Now, on to your accusation that out hobby and "fetish" is more important that the lives of slaughtered children, mothers, and siblings: How are my guns a threat to children? If anything, my 4 children are protected by my guns. Also... how would me giving up my guns, cause less deaths by the diabolical element that exists in our current society? Guns don't kill people... stupid, deranged, wicked and evil people kill people. Taking the guns away from law abiding citizens, just makes more "soft target" zones for the bad guys. Do you think that the criminal element would suddenly stop having access to guns if we enacted tougher laws? It simply would just make it harder for law abiding citizens to protect themselves. The only remedy for a bad guy with a guy, is a GOOD guy with a gun.
How many mass shootings would have been stopped early had just ONE concealed carry holder been around to take out the killer? There are MANY cases where an armed citizen stops a killer this way, but it NEVER EVER makes the news... I wonder why?
Now... not meaning to hijack the thread... I love coach Payton, but wish he would quit making ill-informed political statements and just stick to aiming for another Super Bowl run.
WHO DAT!
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:19 pm to DocRock
I mean someone asked him a question and he answered it. Man got an opinion just like everyone else. Just because you don't agree doesn't make him wrong...or you wrong for having yours. We can disagree.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:31 pm to DaCajun1
quote:Well you're just a fricking idiot.
If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood. So I need to be able to choot'em all when it happens.
quote:Oh wait, you had to go and double down on the stupidity. Congrats!!
Oh, and by the way, my hobby and fetish is more important than the lives of those slaughtered children, mothers, and siblings."
Posted on 3/29/18 at 4:40 pm to southsidedell
quote:
I mean someone asked him a question and he answered it. Man got an opinion just like everyone else. Just because you don't agree doesn't make him wrong...or you wrong for having yours. We can disagree.
I have no problem with someone disagreeing, and participating in respectful discussion. But go look at his comments again. He was throwing out distasteful generalities to insinuate that everyone whom wanted a gun, was doing so because of a sick fetish, or deep-seeded racism, all at the expense of the lives of innocent children.
Do you really think his answer was appropriate?
In my answer, I just logically explained my personal reasons for supporting and defending the 2nd Amendment. I didn't resort to caustic name calling or accusations, as he did.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:22 pm to eddieray
quote:
This thread is telling Sean Payton to stick to coaching instead of expressing his opinion on politics by people expressing their opinion on coaching and politics who aren’t in coaching or politics. Perfect.
That is a fricking truth bomb.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 5:25 pm to DaCajun1
quote:This might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this website in 13 years. I have never heard of this argument or sentiment, not once in all my years in Louisiana. Who believes minorities with weapons are going to take over the Federal government? It's amazing what springs forth from damaged synapses.
If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like,"I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood. So I need to be able to choot'em all when it happens.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 7:00 pm to SirWinston
Sean Payton is a dullard...
LINK
Was this a "silly situation" Sean?
Next we need to hear his thoughts on fidelity, then maybe personal relationships in the workplace.
LINK
Was this a "silly situation" Sean?
Next we need to hear his thoughts on fidelity, then maybe personal relationships in the workplace.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/29/18 at 10:08 pm to DaCajun1
quote:
Doesn't need to be repealed. It just needs to be interpreted differently
No, it doesn't.
quote:
If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood. So I need to be able to choot'em all when it happens. Oh, and by the way, my hobby and fetish is more important than the lives of those slaughtered children, mothers, and siblings." That's pretty much the extent of the crazy. They are simply the same kids from school who always started the school race war rumors and never grew out of it. They are shrouded in paranoia.
The gun crime in this country is extremely skewed toward the non-white population. How in the world could you hold such a strong opinion that is based on such an incorrect premise? We both know the answer. Your opinion is based in emotion.Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:07 am to josh336
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Australia managed to do it, and it works
Australia doesn't have the democrat population that we have in the USA. If you want to eliminate almost all gun crimes, lock up or deport all democrats.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 2:12 am
Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:25 am to Jake88
quote:
I have never heard of this argument or sentiment,
That's because, like I said, many of the staunch defenders don't say it out loud. They give other excuses that are more politically correct, instead of simply speaking their mind.
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