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re: Sean Payton says he wants the 2nd Amendment repealed; Gun rights are "silly stuff"
Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:29 am to King George
Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:29 am to King George
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Well you're just a fricking idiot.
I didn't see any addressing of the merits of the argument. Just a short circuited emotional response to a thought provoking discussion.
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Posted on 3/30/18 at 9:37 am to SoFunnyItsNot
Well, the anti-gun control crowd does sound pretty wacko at times. The whole idea of arming ourselves and holding out in a bunker to resist a federal “invasion” belongs in a Robert Altman movie. Or maybe Wes Anderson
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:18 am to moneyg
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The gun crime in this country is extremely skewed toward the non-white population. How in the world could you hold such a strong opinion that is based on such an incorrect premise? We both know the answer. Your opinion is based in emotion.
It's not an opinion. I'm describing actual literal conversations I've had with co-workers and friends and family that are staunch gun rights defenders. After getting them to open up, they say that armed militias are important to push back against rogue, dictatorial, autocratic governments seeking to take away civil liberties. When asked how that can happen here since our President is elected and subject to term limits, the answer was that Hillary and Obama's liberal minions are working hard with other liberals, the Black Lives Matter Movement, and immigrants to get control of the government in very subversive ways and strip away white institutions and freedoms. Oh, and they see riots in Ferguson and police officer shootings in Baton Rouge and Dallas as an example of their conspiracy. It's not an opinion, there is a huge racial and political ideology back drop to this. If you think this is an opinion then you need to open your eyes to reality.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:35 am to SirWinston
Move to China coach Payton and frick off with your illogical liberal mental illness political views
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:35 am to DaCajun1
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It's not an opinion. I'm describing actual literal conversations I've had with co-workers and friends and family that are staunch gun rights defenders. After getting them to open up, they say that armed militias are important to push back against rogue, dictatorial, autocratic governments seeking to take away civil liberties. When asked how that can happen here since our President is elected and subject to term limits, the answer was that Hillary and Obama's liberal minions are working hard with other liberals, the Black Lives Matter Movement, and immigrants to get control of the government in very subversive ways and strip away white institutions and freedoms. Oh, and they see riots in Ferguson and police officer shootings in Baton Rouge and Dallas as an example of their conspiracy. It's not an opinion, there is a huge racial and political ideology back drop to this. If you think this is an opinion then you need to open your eyes to reality.
You are a loon. I can tell already.
There is no singular reason that all pro-gun people will put forth. Like everything in this world, you'll never get everyone to agree on everything. It takes an amazing amount of ignorance combined with an amazing amount of hubris to think that your explanation sums up the pro-gun position.
I don't speak for anyone. But, I'm smart enough to realize that pro-gun people recognize their right to own guns and choose to utilize them for sport and recognize the potential to need them for any number of scenarios. They don't need you to acknowledge it. They certainly don't need you to bless or approve of the need. It's a constitutional right and they aren't giving it up.
As a single point of thought, could you imagine what burglaries and home invasions would look like if guns didn't exist in this country? We'd all be a lot less safe for sure.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:37 am to DaCajun1
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It's not an opinion. I'm describing actual literal conversations I've had with co-workers and friends and family that are staunch gun rights defenders. After getting them to open up, they say that armed militias are important to push back against rogue, dictatorial, autocratic governments seeking to take away civil liberties. When asked how that can happen here since our President is elected and subject to term limits, the answer was that Hillary and Obama's liberal minions are working hard with other liberals, the Black Lives Matter Movement, and immigrants to get control of the government in very subversive ways and strip away white institutions and freedoms. Oh, and they see riots in Ferguson and police officer shootings in Baton Rouge and Dallas as an example of their conspiracy. It's not an opinion, there is a huge racial and political ideology back drop to this. If you think this is an opinion then you need to open your eyes to reality.
I agree. White people shot everyday. Not a peep. It’s a mainstream media double standard. And people that cannot see this are basically retarded
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:49 am to Blind Zebras
of course this thread is still going...
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:51 am to sicboy
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of course this thread is still going...
It almost makes you wonder if injecting political opinion into an atmosphere that by nature is apolitical was a good idea.
Sean Payton needs to keep his opinions away from this organization.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 10:59 am to moneyg
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There is no singular reason that all pro-gun people will put forth
I never said there was. You incorrectly inferred that. I was speaking to one prominent reason given by gun enthusiast. Other reasons commonly provided are (1) hunting hobbyist would be negatively impacted (2) home invasions would go up (3) good people would be out gunned by bad people who would get guns on the black market, etc...
Each of which can logically be taken apart if gun enthusiast would realize that no one is wanting to take away guns. People just want them regulated to try and reduce the number of kids, family members, friends, etc...from being slaughtered.
With respect to item (1) above, I value a 6 year old's life in Sandy Hook more than a hunting hobby, sorry if you have to hunt with hunting rifles/shotguns instead of weapons of war.
With respect to item (2) you can still effectively protect your home with a tactical shotgun, dog, and alarm system.
With respect to item (3) Good people can still have guns, just make the screening process to determine who the good people are more effective and let the bad people be subject to incarceration when they get busted dealing in the black market. Also, where have all these so called good people with guns been while the bad guys are mowing down children the past decade. It is after all perfectly legally right now for you gun enthusiasts to carry weapons. Where have you been to save the day. Nearly every mass shooter over the past decade has achieved his goal of shooting up everybody before running out of ammo and saving the last round for himself. You supposedly good guys with guns have been few and far between when duty called, especially considering the massive amount of "good guys" with guns in this country.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 11:02 am
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:06 am to DaCajun1
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Sean Payton needs to keep his opinions away from this organization.
It's a defining issue of our time...due to its significance, it should be front and certain of discussions at all levels of our society. Public figures are important in steering public opinion.
The fact that we are immune to it and wanting to ignore it is one of the scarier aspects of this inhumane epidemic.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 11:11 am
Posted on 3/30/18 at 11:10 am to DaCajun1
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It almost makes you wonder if injecting political opinion into an atmosphere that by nature is apolitical was a good idea. Sean Payton needs to keep his opinions away from this organization.
I hear you man, but trust me, while I like my football diversion and I like enjoying my Ruth's Chris steak when eating dinner, someone better damn well tell me if my house is on fire so I can put down the fork.
Our house is on fire in this country with the partisan and social tendons being stretched to the extremes. We are about to hear the snap of the Achilles if we don't see the Hannity's and Maddow's for what they are. Divisive profiteers.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 11:12 am
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:30 pm to DaCajun1
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I never said there was. You incorrectly inferred that. I was speaking to one prominent reason given by gun enthusiast.
This is why emotional thinking doesn't work. Your position is not based on logic or reason, and certainly not fact, so you feel free to change it on a whim.
Here is what you said:
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If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood
And, when challenged on it you said...
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That's because, like I said, many of the staunch defenders don't say it out loud
And, then when I ridiculed you about that opinion you said...
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It's not an opinion. I'm describing actual literal conversations I've had with co-workers and friends and family that are staunch gun rights defenders
Being dishonest to make a point pretty much voids your point.
I'm safer and my six year old is safer because of our freedom to own guns. That's easy for me to see. And, I shudder to think about what it would be like if guns were taken from the general public.
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Each of which can logically be taken apart if gun enthusiast would realize that no one is wanting to take away guns.
Again, you are being dishonest in the face of your previous argument.
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Doesn't need to be repealed. It just needs to be interpreted differently. Supreme Court Justices in the 30's interpreted and ruled the 2nd Amendment language was a reference to a states' right to form a militia via armed citizen volunteers with a collective purpose to protect the state against foreign invaders, since we did not always maintain a standing continental/federal army.
It wasn't until recently that we had another set of Justices interpret the 2nd amendment as an individual right
Suggesting that the 2nd amendment be interpreted differently to remove the individual right to arms is equivalent to "wanting to take away guns".
Not only are you a loon, but you are a liar.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:31 pm to DaCajun1
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It's a defining issue of our time...due to its significance, it should be front and certain of discussions at all levels of our society. Public figures are important in steering public opinion.
The fact that we are immune to it and wanting to ignore it is one of the scarier aspects of this inhumane epidemic.
That's dumb in the context of being a football fan. Divisive issues are not good for the football team. It's extremely dumb to bring this into that arena.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:35 pm to DaCajun1
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I hear you man, but trust me, while I like my football diversion and I like enjoying my Ruth's Chris steak when eating dinner, someone better damn well tell me if my house is on fire so I can put down the fork
The fire you are referencing is due to people like yourself who want to push for limiting the rights we have. You and your ideology are a legitimate threat to our freedom and to the maintenance of our sovereignty. And, still, I'll suggest that us arguing this in the context of a Saints board is bad for the team. And, it underscores how dumb it is to bring this topic up in the context of the Saints.
Posted on 3/30/18 at 12:44 pm to Midget Death Squad
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If you don't like someone posting news of Paeyton's mouthing off on his political opinions, do you also dislike Paeyton expressing them? Can't have it both ways, bra
I didn't give a shite when pop did it and don't give a shite now.
His job is to coach football, not run the country.
But to your point, he wouldn't have said his opinion if people didn't want to make it news. It's dumb to ask a football coach about his views on gun control.
I don't know why we as society constantly have to turn to famous people to get their views from their bubble that has no bearing on the common man.
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:24 pm to moneyg
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It's kind of crazy to me that one can look at the Bill or Rights and not only fail to treat it as "sacred", but question it's applicability based on age
ALL OF THIS!
These morons fail to realize that it’s not about hunting, it’s not ONLY about defending against criminals...........it’s PRIMARY function in the constitution is as a HEDGE AGAINST TYRANNY! As is the 1st Amendment and so on.
This moronic, short sided decision making based on knee jerk feelings may very well doom this great country!
Liberals mistakenly view this country as a Democracy, when it is actually a Constitutional Republic
This post was edited on 3/30/18 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/30/18 at 2:44 pm to moneyg
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I never said there was. You incorrectly inferred that. I was speaking to one prominent reason given by gun enthusiast.
This is why emotional thinking doesn't work. Your position is not based on logic or reason, and certainly not fact, so you feel free to change it on a whim.
Here is what you said:
quote:
If the gun defenders had any balls and really said out loud why they wanted their guns it would sound more like, "I need my guns because I'm afraid of a minority uprising that takes control of the government, looks to put white people in jail, and riots in my neighborhood
And, when challenged on it you said...
quote:
That's because, like I said, many of the staunch defenders don't say it out loud
And, then when I ridiculed you about that opinion you said...
quote:
It's not an opinion. I'm describing actual literal conversations I've had with co-workers and friends and family that are staunch gun rights defenders
Being dishonest to make a point pretty much voids your point.
I'm safer and my six year old is safer because of our freedom to own guns. That's easy for me to see. And, I shudder to think about what it would be like if guns were taken from the general public.
quote:
Each of which can logically be taken apart if gun enthusiast would realize that no one is wanting to take away guns.
Again, you are being dishonest in the face of your previous argument.
quote:
Doesn't need to be repealed. It just needs to be interpreted differently. Supreme Court Justices in the 30's interpreted and ruled the 2nd Amendment language was a reference to a states' right to form a militia via armed citizen volunteers with a collective purpose to protect the state against foreign invaders, since we did not always maintain a standing continental/federal army.
It wasn't until recently that we had another set of Justices interpret the 2nd amendment as an individual right
Suggesting that the 2nd amendment be interpreted differently to remove the individual right to arms is equivalent to "wanting to take away guns".
Not only are you a loon, but you are a liar
Moneyg for the win
Posted on 3/31/18 at 11:25 pm to SirWinston
And then his “doucheness” shows up again... what a POS....
Posted on 4/1/18 at 5:58 am to SirWinston
I remember the first time I ever met CSP. It would be the only time, actually. he was walking down Tchoupitoulas with his mistress.
We were right next to his condo by The Butcher and I told him since he won us the Super Bowl; I wanted to buy him a sandwich.
He politely declined. And I pursued further. He adamantly declined. Then I called him a fricking a-hole.
Yeah.
Sean Peyton is a fricking a-hole. Thanks OP!
he was walking down Tchoupitoulas with his mistress. We were right next to his condo by The Butcher and I told him since he won us the Super Bowl; I wanted to buy him a sandwich.
He politely declined. And I pursued further. He adamantly declined. Then I called him a fricking a-hole.
Yeah.
Sean Peyton is a fricking a-hole. Thanks OP!
Posted on 4/1/18 at 7:15 am to SirWinston
Shut up and coach!
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