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re: Saints are sitting pretty for an impact defender at #11
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:41 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:41 am to Fun Bunch
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But it is SOOOooooooooooooooooo overrated by fans. Its rare to find serious year 1 impact players, and the amount of busts is huge.
I agree, with the exception of some positions like RB,G,or WR it usually takes a few years to reach potential.
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It is very important to your team for long term success. Short term success, FA is way way more important.
I just hate the Saints with exception of 2015, go in every year with so few draft picks. I don't like trading up either unless we have a big stock of picks, for instance, if we were going into the draft with 8 or more picks. The draft is still extremely important and can keep your team out of cap hell.
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:42 am to Chad504boy
Very true. I just think fans put a little too much pressure on the draft.
I'm actually extremely interested in the direction they go FA wise.
I'm actually extremely interested in the direction they go FA wise.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:44 am to Fun Bunch
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I just think fans put a little too much pressure on the draft.
being cash strapped like we've been has added draft pressure. With Drew's contract in limbo and 37 million cap hit or so next year, will be interesting offseason again. We've got more room but have Vaccaro and Breaux pending free agency a year out but very good we have Terron, Max and maybe others locked up already.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:45 am to Fun Bunch
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Very true. I just think fans put a little too much pressure on the draft.
Well it is important. Although fans should give a player more than 1 season to reach potential. For instance, DT usually takes 3-4 years to reach potential. I said usually, there are exceptions. Also, C,QB,MLB,and I'd say FS can be other positions it takes a few years. I do realize some players have come in their rookie years at those positions and play very well. Overall those take the longest to "grasp" though in the NFL.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:58 am to LSUZombie
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Well 2 or 3 teams will, and hopefully so. Just glad it won't be us,
That's what i'm hoping on too.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:19 pm to windshieldman
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I don't like trading up either
In the draft, quality is way more important than quantity. You want as many picks as you can get in the first three rounds. Hell, the first two rounds. After that, it's going to be a lot of players with question marks or years of development.
Some diamonds for sure to be had in the later rounds, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Saints trade up twice in the 1st and 2nd round, mortgaging the future for a 2017 run.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:33 pm to LSUZombie
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Some diamonds for sure to be had in the later rounds, but it wouldn't surprise me to see Saints trade up twice in the 1st and 2nd round, mortgaging the future for a 2017 run.
Mortgaging the future in 2012-14 is what caused our issues 15-16. Depth is still extremely important. Guys like Onyamate (sp?), Tyeler Davison, PJ Williams and Swann (when healthy) probably Lasco in the future are vital to our team's success and all very good players who were grabbed in mid to late rounds. I just don't see the worth in trading up from say 11-8 for a player and losing draft picks, especially in early rounds. You can still get extremely good players at 11. Assuming we want D, there are quite a few top 10 guys on the O side of the ball going to be picked before us pushing good players back on D.
It doesn't bother me as much to trade up in later rounds as usually you don't lose as much. I don't feel we are that far off from being a good team, I really don't. We are finally getting our Dline shored up, and obviously need help still at LB. Having an entire depth chart of CBs go on IR would be detrimental to any team outside of the Patriots (who acquire alot of draft picks btw).
Posted on 1/4/17 at 4:17 pm to Fun Bunch
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SOOOooooooooooooooooo overrated by fans. Its rare to find serious year 1 impact players, and the amount of busts is huge.
It is very important to your team for long term success. Short term success, FA is way way more important.
Aka Loomising
Posted on 1/4/17 at 4:22 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm actually extremely interested in the direction they go FA wise.
I would do what some Saint fans are scared to do. Throw around big money.
Resign Nick Fairley DT
Sign Keith Zeitler OG Cincy
Sign Zach Brown MLB Buffalo
Posted on 1/4/17 at 4:35 pm to Lester Earl
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Aka Loomising
Not at all.
The draft is important for long term success and depth. We have drafted horribly, hence horrible success over the past 5 years and abysmal depth.
My thoughts were in regards to INSTANT success. A draft is probably not going to all of a sudden turn us magically into a SB contender.
Good FA, coupled with a good draft that gets 2 impact players, and good health...that can make a run.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 5:19 pm to windshieldman
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Mortgaging the future in 2012-14 is what caused our issues 15-16
True, but we were pretty much guaranteed to have Brees around in 14-16... whether or not we have Brees after 17 is much more up for grabs, so to be fair, it makes more sense to mortgage future for 2017 (because we may only have one more shot with one of the all time great QBs) than it did for 13-16.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 5:34 pm to partywiththelombardi
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Sign Keith Zeitler OG Cincy
Would be a great addition, but he's going to command somewhere between $9-11 million/year on his new deal.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 5:39 pm to Jwodie
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but he's going to command somewhere between $9-11 million/year on his new deal.
I have zero issues with paying that for a top notch G. We just have to hit on it.
That would still leave us room to sign 4 more starters. We'd still have enough to go after a top notch corner
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 5:41 pm to Jwodie
If you want a top FA OG that is now the going rate. The FA crop and rising salaries last offseason set the new mark. We have around 30 million in money to play with(slight cap maneuvering and we can backload deals to make at least 3-4 big signings this offseason if we choose to go all in for 2017)
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:24 pm to TigerBait1127
I actually think the Saints will target Ronald Leary. He's almost as good as Zeitler and will be cheaper. Plus, the Saints already have interest because they tried to trade for him just this year.
I think he will be around 4-5$ mil. I think that will allow us to to sign a really good CB, LB or DE. I'd rather go DE because we need an instant impact player there and I think a JPP/Ingram would help us in pass coverage and give us one of the better DLs in the league.
I wouldn't mind Barnett in the draft because he's the higher upside but it's rare for DE's to come in right away and dominate as rookies. That's why I'd rather see us snag Zach Cunningham
I think he will be around 4-5$ mil. I think that will allow us to to sign a really good CB, LB or DE. I'd rather go DE because we need an instant impact player there and I think a JPP/Ingram would help us in pass coverage and give us one of the better DLs in the league.
I wouldn't mind Barnett in the draft because he's the higher upside but it's rare for DE's to come in right away and dominate as rookies. That's why I'd rather see us snag Zach Cunningham
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:30 pm to WicKed WayZ
maybe I missed something, but I see people keep suggesting we need cb but we have all the cb we need already, they have just been hurt.
didn't we have like 6 starting cb on ir this year?
I think if the cb we already have, can get back on the field, then we really don't have any need for one and in fact may already have too many and have to trade or release one or two that we do have.
I understand we were in need of one most of the year but that is from injury and not that we don't have excellent cb already here
didn't we have like 6 starting cb on ir this year?
I think if the cb we already have, can get back on the field, then we really don't have any need for one and in fact may already have too many and have to trade or release one or two that we do have.
I understand we were in need of one most of the year but that is from injury and not that we don't have excellent cb already here
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:20 pm to keakar
Foster and Beckwith inside in the 3-4 money.
Posted on 1/4/17 at 8:34 pm to keakar
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maybe I missed something, but I see people keep suggesting we need cb but we have all the cb we need already, they have just been hurt.
Exactly you can't depend on them 100%, Williams and Swann have concussion issues/head injuries that one more could mean retirement.
Breaux has been injured, but he's just one guy
Who else do we have? Keenan Lewis was cut because he never recovered from hip problems. Wilson, Moore, and Webb are #3-4 at best.
We literally have nobody, Williams showed A LOT of promise and with him/breaux side by side healthy vs Oakland they shut that offense down. Once Breaux went out, Crawley got picked on. Then the next game, defense was hanging tough as nails, Moore included, but then Williams went down and Crawley gets killed again. You could improve at corner and getting another one is definitely just as if not more important than DE
Posted on 1/4/17 at 9:36 pm to htran90
Lots of CB talent in the first too
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:37 pm to htran90
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Exactly you can't depend on them 100%
ah ok, I just recall them saying we had 6 starters at cb on IR and because of that it seamed to me like a spot we didn't need to address
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