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re: Saints are about to come out of salary cap hell.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:03 am to Crappieman
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:03 am to Crappieman
2026 is not the year….
I believe 2027 STARTS the Relief !!
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Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:04 am to tigerfan88
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and not commit to anything long term that isn’t smart
cough.Olave.extension.cough
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:16 am to SlowFlowPro
Depends on the number for Olave. Depends on how Shough progresses and the potential rapport he develops with Olave.
Don’t think it’s as simple as a blanket “any Olave extension is a terrible move.”
Don’t think it’s as simple as a blanket “any Olave extension is a terrible move.”
Posted on 12/8/25 at 8:19 am to tigerfan88
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Depends on the number for Olave.
Well obviously. If he wants to take WR2 money on a 4-ish year deal then it's probably not so bad.
The problem is that I don't know if Loomis would even do that because it would make him look so bad for the Olave trades.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:03 am to tigerfan88
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Don’t think it’s as simple as a blanket “any Olave extension is a terrible move.”
Agreed. I think whether we keep Olave or not comes down to our 1st rd pick. If we draft a WR rd 1 then you trade Olave instantly. If we take BPA and plan to take WR's 2nd-4th then you probably keep him if he's requesting mid $20's.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:15 am to Dantheman504
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Cut:
Taysom/ AK/ Godchaux/ Shepherd
= $22mil savings
Taysom has a void hit of $13.7M against the 2026 cap hit. There is nothing the team can do except extend him before the new league year (which they should NOT) to avoid/reduce that number. Cutting the rest saves $1.5M; unless you make some a post 6/01 cap hit, then you can push a lot of that into 2027. But that defeats the purpose of trying to clean up the cap
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Trade:
Olave/ Ruiz/ McCoy/ JJ/ Werner/ Yiadom
= $54mil savings
That savings is only $19M, and mainly because you will be dropping Olave's entire $15.5M cap hit.
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DD/ Cam = $18mil savings if THEY want out
Have $33M void hit about to hit the books unless they extend before the league new year
Posted on 12/8/25 at 9:29 am to St Augustine
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This. There will still be some dead money hits that bring down the number this year. Just don’t push anything forward excessively, have another draft the keep flipping the age of the roster and above all do NOT spend on a big piece or two this year.
Just stay disciplined and we will keep digging out of this.
I think you spend money on proven guards so you can draft playmakers at the top.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:05 am to 50_Tiger
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I think you spend money on proven guards so you can draft playmakers at the top.
Yeah I don’t hate that at all. Don’t even need to get too shelf guys. Just grab a few moderate guys like the jags did last offseason and then let it shuffle out in camp
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:07 am to St Augustine
Signing at least one mid tier guard is ideal. Draft one, sign one. I don’t want to risk both spots on draft picks.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:08 am to Crappieman
It’s going to take another year to clean out our salary cap issues. The future is looking brighter though.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 11:26 am to Weekend Warrior79
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Taysom has a void hit of $13.7M against the 2026 cap hit.
This is how we need to use the space we'll have in 2026
Get rid of dead weight like Hill with no future impact
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 11:34 am
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:07 pm to 50_Tiger
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then you can push a lot of that into 2027. But that defeats the purpose of trying to clean up the cap
Lots of credit card bills still coming up due. Even with these older guys coming off the books. Loomis really made a mess. He can create room for free agents, but it’ll be more of the same extending players already on contract to lessen the blow. It’s what he’s been doing for years now.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 12:10 pm to Crappieman
You're forgetting who the GM and owner are. Sean and Drew are gone, we are back to the old Saints but at least with a talented somewhat still young rookie QB.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:05 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Trade:
Olave/ Ruiz/ McCoy/ JJ/ Werner/ Yiadom
= $54mil savings
That savings is only $19M, and mainly because you will be dropping Olave's entire $15.5M cap hit.
Ruiz would be $4.7 dead money and $9.5mil savings if traded post June 1st. Werner $1.7mil dead and $6.25mil if traded post June 1st. That's $31mil in savings. How did you get $19?
Posted on 12/8/25 at 3:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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cough.Olave.extension.cough
this
That's an error the Saints can't make. Unless the market for him is extremely low due to the concussions, you have to just move on. There's no world where giving him starter money long term makes sense.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:00 pm to Dantheman504
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That's $31mil in savings. How did you get $19?
Because I did not factor in the post 6/01 savings since the only way you get post 6/01 savings is if you trade them after 6/01.
Also, don't know if you factored in the fact that when you do these post 6/01 savings, the money doesn't go away. It just gets tacked onto the next year's (2027) dead money. If the purpose is to clear as much cap to cut dead weight, you wouldn't want to push too many of these into future years or you start screwing up 2027's cap.
If it's to clear space to try to bring in big time FAs, then you'd want to have a few of these post 6/01 savings. But as stated you cannot designate a trade as post 6/01; you would have to hold the player until June to make that move.
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:40 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Because I did not factor in the post 6/01 savings since the only way you get post 6/01 savings is if you trade them after 6/01.
Why would I give an example of how we can save money and not use the exact way we can save money?
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Also, don't know if you factored in the fact that when you do these post 6/01 savings, the money doesn't go away. It just gets tacked onto the next year's (2027) dead money.
The savings is saved and the dead money is dead money to my knowledge.
If we owe Ruiz $28mil for (2) years, save $9mil and then split the remaining 19mil dead money you still save $9mil and can split the rest up to reduce. By 2027 when we have more space and less dead money then the smaller chunks of desd money won't really hurt as much.
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If the purpose is to clear as much cap to cut dead weight, you wouldn't want to push too many of these into future years or you start screwing up 2027's cap.
Yeah I agree just stating that we do have some tricks up our sleeve if we really need/ want the money for anyone specific.
Like I said in the original post we are really free in 2027 but can create the space next year by shaking a few things up. Not all of that is likely to happen but its a stretch from the cap hell we've been accustomed to.
This post was edited on 12/8/25 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:47 pm to Dantheman504
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Why would I give an example of how we can save money and not use the exact way we can save money?
Because I stopped assuming people understand how the cap works.
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By 2027 when we have more space and less dead money then the smaller chunks of desd money won't really hurt as much.
Like I said, if you’re trying to cut players to get rid of dead contracts; eat as much of that now and get the future caps cleaned up. If you’re trying to be aggressive in free agency; then by all means make some of these as post 6/01 moves and get some 2027 draft picks while splitting the hit over the 2 years
Posted on 12/8/25 at 4:59 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Because I stopped assuming people understand how the cap works.
Understandable.
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Like I said, if you’re trying to cut players to get rid of dead contracts; eat as much of that now and get the future caps cleaned up.
We really need to pay an OG this offseason and those contracts will be 15-20mil so one or two of those moves may be worth it.
We can also make that move with Ruiz if you know that Cam/ DD are staying because when they come off the books in a year or 2 it will cancel out.
Long story short there's finally some light at the end of the tunnel.
At the very least get rid of Olave and those cuts. But yes we do have some "options".
Posted on 12/8/25 at 5:46 pm to Crappieman
Unfortunately, Loomis will be the conductor.
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