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Per OTC, the Saints are $72.58M over the 2024 cap
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:29 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:29 am
Notable cap figures and dead money (pre-June 1):
Big hits with negative value:
Cam Jordan: $23.3M / $36.3M
Michael Thomas: $10.0M / $18.2M
Lattimore: $25.6M / $31.3M
Ramczyk: $27.0M / $32.7M
Carr: $35.7M / $52.8M
Hill: $15.8M / $16.9M
Big hits that can be cut for slight cap relief:
Kamara: $18.9M / $17.2M
Davis: $18.2M / $17.2M
Maye: $9.9M / $8.5M
J. Johnson: $7.0M / $6.5M
Mathieu: $12.1M / $10.4M
C. Granderson: $12.5M / 10.1M
Smaller hits but still negative value:
J. Williams: $4.5M / 6.3M
Moreau: $4.4M / 6.2M
N. Shepard: $5.1M / $8.1M
Dead Cap All-Stars:
Peat: $14.6M
Winston: $10.7M
Per OTC
Big hits with negative value:
Cam Jordan: $23.3M / $36.3M
Michael Thomas: $10.0M / $18.2M
Lattimore: $25.6M / $31.3M
Ramczyk: $27.0M / $32.7M
Carr: $35.7M / $52.8M
Hill: $15.8M / $16.9M
Big hits that can be cut for slight cap relief:
Kamara: $18.9M / $17.2M
Davis: $18.2M / $17.2M
Maye: $9.9M / $8.5M
J. Johnson: $7.0M / $6.5M
Mathieu: $12.1M / $10.4M
C. Granderson: $12.5M / 10.1M
Smaller hits but still negative value:
J. Williams: $4.5M / 6.3M
Moreau: $4.4M / 6.2M
N. Shepard: $5.1M / $8.1M
Dead Cap All-Stars:
Peat: $14.6M
Winston: $10.7M
Per OTC
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:36 am to SlowFlowPro
Kick
That
Can
That
Can
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
SlowFlowPro
fricking retard
How many contracts are “albatrosses”?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:45 am to Proximo
quote:
How many contracts are “albatrosses”?
We can start with these:
Cam Jordan: $23.3M / $36.3M
Michael Thomas: $10.0M / $18.2M
Lattimore: $25.6M / $31.3M
Ramczyk: $27.0M / $32.7M
Carr: $35.7M / $52.8M
Hill: $15.8M / $16.9M
Posted on 10/17/23 at 6:47 am to SlowFlowPro
oh man this wasn't the best thing to read as I get ready to step out the door for work. 
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:04 am to SlowFlowPro
It truly is depressing. Instead of starting the pain and just biting the bullet and going full reset they made it worse.
We will be fricked for half a decade at least.
We will be fricked for half a decade at least.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:11 am to Proximo
quote:
fricking retard
This baw still hurling stones with the world burning around his glass house.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:18 am to St Augustine
Loomising almost worked in this case except for the fact that the entire o-line full of first round picks shite the bed. Most of them are young too.
At least we have most of our draft picks.
At least we have most of our draft picks.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 7:19 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I just don't think people understand how long it will take to unwind this. It will take a full year of being committed to a rebuild just to get us in a situation where we can start the cap rebuild. That's 2 years, min, but likely more like 3 (or 4 to totally clear up our cap situation).
We will be fricked for half a decade at least.
This is also assuming an outlier event doesn't cause the necessity to start when we don't expect it, which would be lighting a fuse...Ram's knee is that variable potentially. Our entire cap restructuring philosophy is based in extending he and Lattimore for the bulk of our cap relief, but if he has to retire after this season, then we have to eat all that cap we kicked down the road and we lose the flexibility. That would be official "hold onto your butts" season.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Cam Jordan: $23.3M / $36.3M Michael Thomas: $10.0M / $18.2M Lattimore: $25.6M / $31.3M Ramczyk: $27.0M / $32.7M Carr: $35.7M / $52.8M Hill: $15.8M / $16.9M
Out of all of these, Lattimore is the only one coming close to playing up to the value of his contract. Ram also before this year, but it’s not looking good with a degenerative knee.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:21 am to Townedrunkard
The thing about Carr is everyone loved to tout the "it's really a 2-year deal with an out" meme, but that assumes we don't touch it this offseason (in order to clear cap space)
The only way we're getting under the cap next year is by pushing most of the money listed in your quote down the road, including Carr.
The only way we're getting under the cap next year is by pushing most of the money listed in your quote down the road, including Carr.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
This is also assuming an outlier event doesn't cause the necessity to start when we don't expect it, which would be lighting a fuse...Ram's knee is that variable potentially. Our entire cap restructuring philosophy is based in extending he and Lattimore for the bulk of our cap relief, but if he has to retire after this season, then we have to eat all that cap we kicked down the road and we lose the flexibility. That would be official "hold onto your butts" season.
What's cool about Ram's deal is he has an injury guarantee for his 2024 contract. So, if I understand it correctly, his entire 2024 salary would be guaranteed in the event of an injury. Loomsing
Sarcasm aside, that should at least buy them a year to eat a chunk of Ram's contract. Then work with him on his retirement to spread the dead cap between 2025 & 2026 (similar to the Brees retirement restructure).
quote:
I just don't think people understand how long it will take to unwind this. It will take a full year of being committed to a rebuild just to get us in a situation where we can start the cap rebuild. That's 2 years, min, but likely more like 3 (or 4 to totally clear up our cap situation).
This could actually be much worse than you laid out. NFL also has a minimum cash spend requirement tied into the cap. So, when dropping contracts for dead money or letting them expire to run out the bonuses; they still have to make sure they give out large chucks of $$$ to meet those minimum cash requirements.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:34 am to Weekend Warrior79
quote:
This could actually be much worse than you laid out. NFL also has a minimum cash spend requirement tied into the cap. So, when dropping contracts for dead money or letting them expire to run out the bonuses; they still have to make sure they give out large chucks of $$$ to meet those minimum cash requirements.
Here is the thing, though.
We MIGHT have been able to compete for the NFC South title in 2023, only because it projected to be horrible.
How can you say no to that?
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:36 am to SlowFlowPro
the cap is fake.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:38 am to Byron Bojangles III
quote:
the cap is fake.
That's why Trey Hendrickson and Marcus Williams are still on the team, right?
If your concept of "the cap" is a singular year, then yeah, this argument has some merit. When you realize that future years get cap eaten up by these "in the moment" moves, then you understand the cap is real, and you're sacrificing future for the present. That impact on future caps is very real, and limits future spending.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Future looks bright.
Or not.
Or not.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
gotta get rid of Taysom after this season, he's not really providing you much value
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:50 am to J Murdah
Need a new coach
Posted on 10/17/23 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
I would rather blow it up and suck vs keep kicking the can down the road every year to suck.
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