re: My fear is that the Carr signing puts us in NFL purgatory

IMO, nothing great is going to happen to the Saints again until they bottom out. Maybe that includes Loomis moving on and Gayle promoting Ireland to be GM. Maybe that means they need to lose enough games to get into a top 5 draft position, fire the whole coaching staff and finally hire a fresh, young, hungry new head coach with a clear vision of where he wants to take this team and a revived FO with the guts to make necessary changes, but regardless, I don't see the Saints coming anywhere near the SB again until big changes happen.

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Fans act like teams rebuild in 2-3 years and become contenders.

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That literally happens all the time. The Jags had the first pick 2 years in a row and made the playoffs this year. Cincinnati made the SB last year, 2 years after having the first pick are just 2 recent examples

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Some teams rebuild for 10 years or more.

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Those are just shitty franchises that suck because they are poorly run.

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Frank Clark in Kansas City got cut

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Didn’t the trade for him or sign him as FA? Also he’s been in the league 7-8 years and his numbers sliding a little

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Kenny Golladay for NYG got cut

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He hasn’t done shite for 2 years

Not really sure what your point is here everyone cuts guys for cap purposes. I think cutting Frank Clark after 4 years of declining numbers is different than letting an ascending player like Hendrickson walk

Holy Crap! First it’s not the right teams and now it’s not the right players. Point stands. Nobody keeps all their players. Hell, we find a way to sign FAs every year and we’ve been over the cap for 20 years now.

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Look at your last reply. You literally know more than everyone about everything. We are all so dumb and your opinion is the only one that is correct. You should really apply for a GM position next year

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That’s been jake since day one on this site when we were teenagers. He has never in his life been wrong.

"Cap hell" is one of my least favorite terms. I find it generally lazy, whether it's here, roto~ or any sports writer using it in an article. It's a trite term that doesn't normally encompass the full dynamic of the salary cap. Not that everyone using it is wrong in their thought, but it's such an easy crutch to lean on.

I think they look at Carr as a solid 4 year fix at the QB position so they can retool and focus on the rest of the roster instead of going into every offseason without a legitimate starting NFL QB. I don't think they believe he is an All Pro QB or anything like that. I do think they believe they can win a Super Bowl with him in 2 years if they fix the roster around him.

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Thread from 2014 about salary cap hell

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That article by Barnwell was spot on. When we had to cut bait with Graham and Gallette that following offseason it set us back for 2 years (7-9 and 7-9). It literally wasted 2 years of Brees' prime. We have exponentially advanced the can kicking since then, trying to extend our Brees window.

The only reason why that 2014 (and subsequent 2015 offseason) didn't hurt us worse was pulling a rabbit's foot out of our arse in the 2017 NFL draft. That was luck and has not come close to being repeated (showing you just what it takes to maintain this strategy: all-time drafts every year )

Then the wheels fell off Brees and we haven't even made the playoffs since, leading to:

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Thread from 2022 about salary cap hell
Thread from 2021 about salary cap hell
Thread from 2019 about salary cap hell

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Legitimate times of terrible cap situations and mediocre results as a consequence.

We have only made it past the divisional round ONCE since that lucky 2017 draft, too. We have also lost all of the EV of that draft (even the talent we did get to keep isn't on rookie deals anymore).

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Then why is Marcus Williams playing for Baltimore?

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Because you can’t resign all of your players. Nobody can. We resign a lot of our players. And we sign a lot of free agents.

Now you can question who we sign and for how much. But this isn’t just a Saints problem. This is a problem for all teams.

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First it’s not the right teams and now it’s not the right players. Point stands. Nobody keeps all their players.

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I didn’t comment on the teams so I am not moving the goal posts. Has anyone ever claimed the other 31 teams never release anyone and keep the same 53 man roster year after year? You are taking things out of context. Kenny Galloday really? he’s been terrible. No one complains when the Saints move on from or cut bad players.

You mentioned the Rams but aren’t they in the position, a tear down rebuild you and other Saints fans are wanting to avoid? I guess their fan is hoping a healthy Stafford/Kupp will have them contending next year?

AJ Brown the Titans were trying to re-sign him but couldn’t agree so they traded him for a first they used to draft Burks. I’m not sure that’s a cap casualty

Similarly the Chiefs traded Hill. That may be more cap related since they do have a lot tied up in Mahomes. But when you trade players you get back something, draft picks usually that you can use on cheaper players. While there is obviously risk since you could miss on the picks but that’s still better than just losing them. Of course you can’t keep or trade everybody but it’s the cumulative effect compounding bad decisions. What’s concerning is you could wind up in a rebuild whether you like it or not.