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My fear is that the Carr signing puts us in NFL purgatory
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:11 pm
Just good enough to keep from bottoming out and firing people
Not good enough to win anything real
Hamstrings our ability to improve the team in the future
It’s a 1-way ticket to 10-7 ceilings and first round arse eliminations.
Yes, Carr is the best short term option we had, and I’m not even anti-Carr - I just think we are making moves as if we are close to a title when we just aren’t.
Not good enough to win anything real
Hamstrings our ability to improve the team in the future
It’s a 1-way ticket to 10-7 ceilings and first round arse eliminations.
Yes, Carr is the best short term option we had, and I’m not even anti-Carr - I just think we are making moves as if we are close to a title when we just aren’t.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 12:14 pm
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:17 pm to NawlinsTiger9
What is bad about winning the division and making the playoffs? The same was said about Stafford two years ago. Would you have rathered us have traded for him?
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:18 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Not good enough to win anything real
Saints Talk is all about this.
They don't want titles. They want to make the playoffs in the shittiest division in the NFL.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:20 pm to saints5021
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What is bad about winning the division and making the playoffs?
It likely eliminates your future ability to win a title for possibly 10 years.
Signing Carr doesn't just cap our short-term ceiling, it caps our long-term ceiling, too.
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The same was said about Stafford two years ago.
The Rams were on the brink of a super bowl without Stafford, including 1 SB appearance
We haven't made the playoffs 2 years in a row
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:22 pm to NawlinsTiger9
100%
Fire DA at the first sign of trouble and start a rebuild
Fire DA at the first sign of trouble and start a rebuild
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:35 pm to NawlinsTiger9
On paper he’s already the second best QB the franchise has ever had.
Let’s see it play out first at least.
Let’s see it play out first at least.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Not signing Carr def would
Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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What is bad about winning the division and making the playoffs? It likely eliminates your future ability to win a title for possibly 10 years.
It doesn’t have to but it does requires a very good/elite organization management team. The Chiefs for example. They had 1 winning season in 7 years, hired Reid and got Alex Smith. Then 4 straight winning season and 3 playoff appearances but not past the division round. The next draft they draft Mahomes, made a move up to get him, develop him for a year and since then dynasty. Now that’s the best case scenario, can’t expect dynasty but if you have a good enough front office you can break out of the purgatory of good but not great
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
The Chiefs had the 27th pick when they drafted Mahomes. They didn't bottom out and tank. Good organizations don't bottom out and tank.
The Bucs are bottoming out now and will return to another decade of nothingness.
The Bucs are bottoming out now and will return to another decade of nothingness.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:12 pm to NawlinsTiger9
When you have had one of the best, it is hard to accept anything else....
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:20 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Seems like Saints management feels they have to much invested in a pretty good roster to give up and tank. I can understand that sentiment. And nobody in Management worries about the salary cap as much as this board does.
Tanking gives you no guarantee you actually draft a future franchise QB. Many have flamed out in the past.
With a top 10 defense and the 2nd or 3rd best QB in franchise history signed, maybe the Saints can make another run. It needs to happen soon or this pretty good roster will be getting to old.
Tanking gives you no guarantee you actually draft a future franchise QB. Many have flamed out in the past.
With a top 10 defense and the 2nd or 3rd best QB in franchise history signed, maybe the Saints can make another run. It needs to happen soon or this pretty good roster will be getting to old.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:30 pm to saints5021
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The Chiefs had the 27th pick when they drafted Mahomes. They didn't bottom out and tank. Good organizations don't bottom out and tank.
I agree but “tanking” is becoming an overused cliche. You don’t have to bottom out for years on end to rebuild.
Good organizations can have bad years but they will bounce back quickly. KC went 2-14 the year they hired Reid. And it wasn’t a draft with an elite prospect at really any position. They took Fisher a LT from a MAC school and he was just ok. But they haven’t had a losing season since.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:34 pm to saints5021
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They didn't bottom out and tank. Good organizations don't bottom out and tank.
Very few people are advocating for tanking
Most who are critical of the signing want the team to become responsible with the cap so that when we have another epic draft we can re-sign all that talent. That doesn't require a teardown/rebuild/tank (whatever you want to call it).
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The Bucs are bottoming out now and will return to another decade of nothingness.
The Bucs are probably eating shite for 1 year and then coming back once the Brady dead cap hit passes.
They shouldn't be a terrible team next year if they have injury luck. Not good, but not terrible.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:37 pm to PoppaD
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With a top 10 defense
Will this still be a top 10 D without Davenport and Onyamata? Likely without Ellis? And an aging Cam/Mathieu?
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:39 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Hamstrings our ability to improve the team in the future
Why?
We’ve proven year after year that we can manipulate the cap to sign valued FAs.
Teams are built through the draft
We have four draft picks in the top 70 and another four after that this year. Picks remain in tact going forward save for next year’s 3rd, which could still be recouped
Carr isn’t here past a few years. The name of the game is finding a QB in the draft. And picking at the top does not guarantee you a franchise QB. You could have your young, too 3 picked QB for peanuts right now if you want - Winston (1.1), Baker (1.1), Mariota (1.2), Wentz (1.2), Darnold (1.3)
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They don't want titles. They want to make the playoffs in the shittiest division in the NFL.
Great line of thinking. Let’s blow the next two seasons so we can get tons of cap space. I’m sure really good free agents will want to come to a team that has no chance of winning the division or conference. Oh, you know what will excite them? That top 5 draft pick. Because good free agents love potential players. Especially young immature guys.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:46 pm to GynoSandberg
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We’ve proven year after year that we can manipulate the cap to sign valued FAs.
By creating bigger time bombs down the road.
Every year we create more Taysom Hill contracts that we cannot do anything with except kick the can down the road.
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Teams are built through the draft
And we just lost one of our "hits" in the draft b/c we couldn't afford him due to our cap manipulation.
We're likely going to lose another former 1st rounder this year that we can't fit into our cap.
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We have four draft picks in the top 70 and another four after that this year.
We're missing a top-10 pick this year and a 2nd next year
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Carr isn’t here past a few years.
Once we restructure his $30M base next year, his cap hits will be.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:48 pm to Suntiger
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Let’s blow the next two seasons so we can get tons of cap space. I
I don't want "tons of cap space". I want to be able to re-sign our good draft picks
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Oh, you know what will excite them? That top 5 draft pick.
Who said anything about a top-5 pick? Nobody is advocating for tanking in this thread.
We're going to be mediocre-good next year with Carr and most people are saying we should be mediocre and possibly good while fixing our cap the next 2 years.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:48 pm to Suntiger
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Great line of thinking. Let’s blow the next two seasons so we can get tons of cap space. I’m sure really good free agents will want to come to a team that has no chance of winning the division or conference.
Excellent point no team has never had multiple bad seasons in a row and been able to build a contender
ETA please note I’m not advocating completely blowing the he team up, but I would rather have just stuck with Dalton on the cheap a while you straighten out the cap and build through the draft. Even if you aren’t able to get a franchise QB, when you are in a better cap position then get a guy like Carr
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 3/8/23 at 2:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
If you don't have a top 5-10 QB, you have nothing.
Carr is certainly not in that league.
Purgatory is exactly right.
Does anyone really think that an NFL team led by Dennis Allen and David Carr can compete for a title?
hell no.
The Saints are now last season's Bucs. They may limp to the playoffs in the worst division in football where they'll promptly get annihilated by a competent team.
The window slammed shut the minute we choked against Minnesota in the playoffs. Every offseason since then we just dig in further and move further away from actually competing.
Carr is certainly not in that league.
Purgatory is exactly right.
Does anyone really think that an NFL team led by Dennis Allen and David Carr can compete for a title?
hell no.
The Saints are now last season's Bucs. They may limp to the playoffs in the worst division in football where they'll promptly get annihilated by a competent team.
The window slammed shut the minute we choked against Minnesota in the playoffs. Every offseason since then we just dig in further and move further away from actually competing.
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