re: Jeremy Fowler says Saints really don’t want to fire DA

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Reich didn't even last a season.

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I get the point, but not an even comparison. As an owner,Tepper is averaging approx 1 HC per year. Add the fact that Tepper sold the farm for Bryce while Reich wanted Stroud, and they were working on a 1 win season w no 1st rounders next year because of Tepper’s decision. I am sure there was some internal bad blood there, Tepper has a quick trigger, and now he gets to use Reich as the scapegoat for his dumb decision.

The team should have the balls to move on from DA sooner than later, but Reich is not the best example. Maybe McDaniels since we’re aiming to be the NOLA Raiders

The fact that it's a possibility tells you all you need to know about this franchise. The rest of the season shouldn't matter, he should already be a shoe in to be gone.

Do you really think someone would give espn a story with the headline "saints wanna fire Allen"? This is nothing

DA is the worst HC we have had since before the days of Jim Mora. I was too young to remember who was HC before Mora. He probably is in the running for the worst of all time? Any of you old heads care to chime in?

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DA is the worst HC we have had since before the days of Jim Mora. I was too young to remember who was HC before Mora. He probably is in the running for the worst of all time? Any of you old heads care to chime in?

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Best coaches since the 90s.

1. Sean Payton
2. Jim Mora
3. Jim Hasslett



4. Mike Ditka
5. Dennis Allen

Only reason Ditka gets the nod over Allen is because he took crap and just smeared it all over the walls. Allen is legitimately destroying an organization.

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I don’t expect them to fire Allen unless they lose out. And really I think it’s better for a franchise to give their coaches time. I don’t think Allen deserves it because he’s genuinely a bad head coach, but I understand them wanting to give their head coach more than two seasons. Especially with Carr on the books. I don’t see it making sense to jettison Allen when you’re saddling the next guy with Carr’s horrible contract.

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Sounds more right than not. I think as the team and the cap looks right now we are not a place the best coaches may want to go too.

If they retain DA after this season, fans need to just stop going to games and stop watching on TV.

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I don’t expect them to fire Allen unless they lose out. And really I think it’s better for a franchise to give their coaches time. I don’t think Allen deserves it because he’s genuinely a bad head coach, but I understand them wanting to give their head coach more than two seasons. Especially with Carr on the books. I don’t see it making sense to jettison Allen when you’re saddling the next guy with Carr’s horrible contract.

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but here's the thing, the entire point of promoting Allen was for continuity purposes, and he has completely failed.

This wasn't billed as a rebuild, nor has our FO treated it as one. So he doesn't deserve more time.

This franchise is pretty lost up its own arse if they retain DA. I don't care if he even makes the playoffs, this team looks so poorly coached and disinterested so often, to pretend Allen will suddenly figure it out and become a competent HC is insanely delusional. To ignore all of this and point towards a playoff berth in a historically weak division with a ridiculously easy schedule as a feather in his hat, is treating your fanbase like idiots. A complete house cleaning is in order but we have a clueless owner who defers all decisions to the people that have gotten us in this mess.

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DA is the worst HC we have had since before the days of Jim Mora. I was too young to remember who was HC before Mora. He probably is in the running for the worst of all time? Any of you old heads care to chime in?

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Tom Fears was terrible.

JD Roberts was even worse. I think the highest level of head coaching he had done prior to being hired was Division II.

John North lasted 2 seasons and was just was bad.

Hank Stram was a massive upgrade. But the game had passed him by, Archie was hurt his whole first season, and the team was too young to compete well.

Dick Nolan was the best coach to that point and the offense flourished. However, they ran the Flex defense, which was already dying and no one but Tom Landry could ever make it work, so the defense was horrid. Then the wheels completely fell off in 1980 and they went 1-15.

Then there was Bum Phillips. He drafted well but his system relied heavily on having a workhorse running back and that kind of football was in the past. When George Rogers fell apart in 1984, Bum was done.

That's when Benson bought the team, hired Funks who hired Mora and you know the rest.

So, where does DA fit in that crowd? He is doing a better overall job now than any of them did. Maybe you can argue Nolan in 1979 or Bum in 1983 is comparable, but that's it. The Mecom era Saints were beyond putrid. There is no comparing the team now to then.

Payton and Mora are clearly better than DA. he is about the same as Haslett I think. DA is better than all the rest.

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I don’t expect them to fire Allen unless they lose out. And really I think it’s better for a franchise to give their coaches time.

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Half a decade isn’t long enough as a head coach to get a good read?

Not one winning season and one of the worst winning percentages in nfl history. If Micky brings him back next and it’s the same results as this year, which is highly possible, entire front office needs to be cleaned out.