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re: Garrett Wilson & Olave, their size & potential school bias
Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:01 am to beauchristopher
Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:01 am to beauchristopher
Watson dropped 13% of his passes, worst in this class. The competition will always come into question as well
Pierce is strictly a vertical guy, he can help but I don’t think he can be the only WR you draft. Would be nice as a 2nd WR you draft
Pierce is strictly a vertical guy, he can help but I don’t think he can be the only WR you draft. Would be nice as a 2nd WR you draft
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Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:04 am to GynoSandberg
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Watson dropped 13% of his passes, worst in this class. The competition will always come into question as well
Valid concern then. I was hoping he could be like DK Metcalf. Could that number improve though?
I found this
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Career drop rates
George Pickens: 2.1%
Skyy Moore: 3.3%
Chris Olave: 4.7%
Jahan Dotson: 5.1%
Drake London: 5.7
Alec Pierce: 6.4%
Garrett Wilson: 6.8%
Justyn Ross: 7.1%
Treylon Burks: 7.4%
Jameson Williams: 7.7%
Jalen Tolbert: 8.4%
Christian Watson: 12.7%
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And as I’ve preached like it’s my religion, stats tell a different story than the game. Stats are a really good resource to have, but they can’t be the only thing looked at when deciding something about sports.
For example, Christian Watson played for North Dakota State University, a team that doesn’t pass very much. So, if 100 balls were thrown to him in a season, dropping five of those would be a 5% drop rate. It’s a pretty simple structure, but it’s a statistic that helps those with higher target volume.
I’ll dive into the nitty-gritty in a minute, but this is to set the scene on why stats can be misleading.
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After his third game as a senior, when he finally started being a focused weapon on the offense, he had zero drops.
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Coming from a running program, you know that they probably did not spend a lot of time catching balls out of jugs machines relative to blocking technique downfield. I also suspect they probably did a lot of run blocking stepping out of pass routes.
I have also read, not verified, he only had 2 drops logged? Again, not verified.
I think I prefer Wilson over most WRs, but still very intrigued by Watson if it's outside of round 1. If he really didn't drop anything after his 3rd game then I can get over his drops earlier in his career.
Watson TDs
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They clocked his top speed in game with ball at 22.5 mph which was the exact same as fastest in NFL Hill with KC. He’s a special athlete.
This post was edited on 4/12/22 at 11:09 am
Posted on 4/12/22 at 12:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
The disconnect between the analytic vs scouting people on Burks is funny.
I side with the scouting, his game doesn’t really line up with his physical stature.
I side with the scouting, his game doesn’t really line up with his physical stature.
Posted on 4/12/22 at 12:16 pm to BilJ
Honestly I think the best Ohio state value is Ruckert, the TE. Should be TE1. Being slotted in the 3rd right now
Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:44 pm to Lester Earl
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Watch Burks’ tape. He runs like two routes. They swing him the ball or he catches short slants.
This.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 8:42 pm to beauchristopher
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George Pickens
Who I hope saints take at 19
Posted on 4/14/22 at 8:51 pm to Rouge
I have this feeling one of Wilson or olave will end up being like Terrance Marshall.
In the shadow of chase (smirh-njigba) and Jefferson (I think it's Wilson) and underwhelmed trying to be the #1
In the shadow of chase (smirh-njigba) and Jefferson (I think it's Wilson) and underwhelmed trying to be the #1
Posted on 4/15/22 at 12:30 am to ipodking
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Take a flyer on someone like Justyn Ross or Mechie. Hopefully the lights go on for Tre’Quan.
That’s a horrible idea. Tre’Quan has no lights to turn on. 16 or 19 has to be a WR
You can get good receivers all throughout the draft.
Metchie is going to make some team very happy.
I like a guy like bo Melton later in the draft.
I'm all in on garrett wilson and jameson Williams. Neither's size scares me.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 7:06 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/15/22 at 8:29 am to GynoSandberg
Where are these graphics from sandy
I like em
I like em
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:01 am to Lester Earl
ReceptionPerception.com
Matt Harmon on Twitter
I have a sub if you wanna see anyone else
Matt Harmon on Twitter
I have a sub if you wanna see anyone else
This post was edited on 4/15/22 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:07 am to GynoSandberg
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Not really meant to compare the players. Generally there is correlation between good YAC is catching the ball near the LOS. And you cannot take the raw YAC numbers at face value. If you catch 100 balls you’re going to be near the top of YAC. The point is YAC doesn’t really matter when you’re catching the ball down the field
This is the logic of someone that’s not used to seeing YAC yards from Wrs.
Wr A. catches a 30 yard pass and goes down 2-4 yards after the catch vs Wr B. catches 30 yard pass and regularly gets 5-10+ of YAC, how does that not matter?
As I mentioned Olave’s YAC average is low for a college Wr that regularly lined up off the line of scrimmage at the Z. With more space to work, his YAC should be better in theory, he’s more about catching and security the ball. I can’t hold that against him, but it would be nice to draft more if a game changer with the ball after the catch for once.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:17 am to Rand AlThor
Let’s see
Dotson Penn St
Skyy Moore
Tolbert South Ala
Pierce Cincy
Bo Melton Rutgers
Dotson Penn St
Skyy Moore
Tolbert South Ala
Pierce Cincy
Bo Melton Rutgers
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:28 am to Lester Earl
So I just looked and he doesn't have any WRs outside of estimated Round 1 guys going up until the 18th
So here's a few of those guys we do have to chew on, I'll look for those others once they're up.
So here's a few of those guys we do have to chew on, I'll look for those others once they're up.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:32 am to Rand AlThor
Thanks brether
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:36 am to Lester Earl
Also here's Olave's success rate chart:
Harmon is really high on Olave. Fawns about his footwork and technical agility.
Harmon is really high on Olave. Fawns about his footwork and technical agility.
Posted on 4/15/22 at 9:42 am to Lester Earl
Olive has the frame to put on weight and from all I’ve read he is a high chapter guy…I like him in the top 20.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:30 pm to GynoSandberg
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Pierce is strictly a vertical guy, he can help but I don’t think he can be the only WR you draft. Would be nice as a 2nd WR you draft
I don't agree with this. He played outside and in the slot.
He isn't just a vertical threat.
Posted on 4/17/22 at 10:33 pm to Chalkywhite84
What tape shows that
All of his highlights are vertical catches
All of his highlights are vertical catches
Posted on 4/17/22 at 10:48 pm to Lester Earl
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So draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd that fit the same mold
Yea cause it’s just that easy lol
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