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re: Dennis Allen was a bad hire.

Posted on 9/18/22 at 10:13 pm to
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
39417 posts
Posted on 9/18/22 at 10:13 pm to
Jesus
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 9/18/22 at 10:18 pm to
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The in game coaching has been bad poor both games. The offense is terrible, play calling has no edge to it, and overall has no direction.


God dammit I hate when I agree with you
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32639 posts
Posted on 9/18/22 at 10:21 pm to
I don’t mind the Allen hire, it was the Carmichael hire that I can’t stand.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/18/22 at 11:21 pm to
You know what makes it even more disturbing? If you listened to the previous staffers and their horror stories when he was at Oakland you'd never think the Saints would hire someone like that. Here we are though. I mean we are talking about an organization that tried to cover up a sexual predator and Payton's pill popping. Previous people who knew him at Oakland said there was no way he'd get another HC job and they were shocked Saints settled for him.

You're right, an extension of Payton's staff without Payton. Absolutely fricking genius.

I give it by week 8 and this board will be 100% turned on the Dennis Allen hire.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10559 posts
Posted on 9/18/22 at 11:30 pm to
New OC. New QB. Team would likely compete for the NFC.

I'm concerned a game like this ruins Winston's confidence.

If Saint get a decent pick for Payton, they might need to pray they can find a decent QB in the draft.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7876 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:29 am to
That’s hard to believe because Winston sucks major arse.

I don’t think Dalton would accomplish 35 interceptions like Winston will this year
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27190 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 2:14 am to
Payton's offense was getting stale and carmichael is just running that.

I didn't mind sticking with allen but i did want a new oc.

Bring in someone young and innovative. Carmichael can work of everything is perfect.

If wimston is going to play like that then it's going to be a long season.

I'm not getting the dennis allen hate yet. Although he should've let lutz kick the field goal.
Posted by bnb9433
Member since Jan 2015
13677 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 5:04 am to
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I didn't mind sticking with allen but i did want a new oc.
Bring in someone young and innovative. Carmichael can work of everything is perfect.

ya, wasn’t a big fan of hiring Pete as OC. I think Allen will be fine as HC
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422189 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:24 am to
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Mike McDaniel is killing it

I'd have preferred to hire Kyle Shannahan if we're naming guys who we would have had to force to come here
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422189 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:25 am to
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Didn't McDaniel say he wouldn't go somewhere where weed wasn't legal or some shite?


Yes.

The most likely guy from the McVay/Shanny tree to come here was the great Nathaniel Hackett

McDaniel was not coming here
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278275 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 11:44 am to
Well yea, they didn’t interview him. The whole Saint’s process was trash
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422189 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:15 pm to
I am not sure if he even interviewed with anyone else last year.

He and Daboll basically got to pick their opening.
Posted by Gavin Elster
Member since Mar 2020
2530 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:16 pm to
I’ve said this from day one. Allen was a lazy hire and it’s going to backfire. All those raining downvotes now will change their tune by the end of the season or in the near future.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6310 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:22 pm to
I agree with this OP somewhat in that Dennis Allen was a bad hire. Dennis Allen lacks the fire you wanna see in your HC, he's soft and doesn't get after it. You wanna see your HC get after people, refs, and players too when they're out of line. Allen just seems passive in that area, he just has that affable look.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6310 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 12:28 pm to
Yeah, they went through with the interviews, Loomis that is did that because they didn't wanna hear anything from the NFL about just hiring Allen outright. That former Miami HC had everyone nervous as hell with the lawsuit, and so the Loomis made sure to interview him right away. Lol
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27190 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 8:42 pm to
Allen with a new exciting oc would be fine.

I thought carmichael might actually add some new concepts once getting the reins.

I'm fine with running taysom with power but let him fake it anf throw it deep every once in a while.

Get him out on a roll.

Where were the screens?
A tight end screen to juwan johnson or taysom would've been nice to help jameis out.

This talent paired with a system like green bay runs would be beautiful.

Lafleur knows how to get easy yards on early downs.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6310 posts
Posted on 9/19/22 at 10:08 pm to
You're right, Taysom's running paired with Green Bay's system would be good, but really having Taysom run all the time is getting old. I thought they were going to call pass and fool TB. Smh
This post was edited on 9/19/22 at 10:10 pm
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7690 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 5:11 am to
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I’ve said this from day one. Allen was a lazy hire and it’s going to backfire


We hired a losing HC and paired him with a losing QB. I mean what did people think would happen? Signing LSU players sure got everyone hyped for nothing.
Posted by mmonro3
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2013
3920 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 5:28 am to
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I think I’m dropping my season tickets next year

Just do all of us a favor, and get rid of them now!
Posted by Geauxldilocks
Member since Aug 2018
2436 posts
Posted on 9/20/22 at 5:37 am to
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ennis Allen didn’t turn the ball over 5 times today, had a veteran qb making rookie mistakes…..bottom line


Why has the veteran QB seemingly regressed and making rookie mistakes once SP left the room? You may not want to put it on Allen, but isn’t it his job to insure and hire people that co tiniest to develop JW?
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