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re: Dennis Allen was a bad hire.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:14 pm to Geauxldilocks
Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:14 pm to Geauxldilocks
One thing is they've changed Winston's throwing style, and what I mean by that is he was a downfield throwing QB, a QB that constantly threw downfield in between the seams. Now, they've done the same thing to him that they did to Teddy Bridgewater, and that is to try and make him a short throwing, get rid of the ball fast type of QB. To minimize mistakes, turnovers and all of that. They've basically tried to make Bridgewater and now Winston play like Drew Brees, and to me it's not working because they aren't those type of QBs.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 12:15 pm
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Posted on 9/20/22 at 12:24 pm to LSUBALLER
We could go 16-1 lose in 2nd round and les would point to this post and say..."I told you so" 
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:18 pm to goatmilker
You are a weird stalker
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
Les did McDaniel interview with anyone other than the Dolphins? I can't find any other interviews.
Most of this board wanted him, but we agreed he was unlikely to consider us (an it's clear he didn't).
Who did you want after McDaniel?
Most of this board wanted him, but we agreed he was unlikely to consider us (an it's clear he didn't).
Who did you want after McDaniel?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:21 pm to Lester Earl
You're getting shite on but I somewhat agree. I still think DA is an OK head coach and his coaching style isn't the problem as much as the process behind his hiring was. It's a little early to call your shot on McDaniel
The process was all bullshite. We were never seriously considering other coaches. It was ALWAYS going to be DA and I think that was a poor decision by Gayle, Loomis and Ireland. Bottom line, they weren't ready to move on from Sean. They all thought he was coming back and so they put a band aid on the situation i.e. Dennis Allen. I also thought they were scared of a new coach who would potentially challenge them on how they scout, draft and acquire talent in Free Agency. Part of the problem was similar to how Payton got stagnant as a coach from 2012-2016. He never got rid of his good ole boy coaching staff and wanted to repeat the success despite those guys on his staff being complete failures and being, quite honestly, outdated. Once Payton got rid of them, injected new blood into the staff and realized they weren't drafting well, they brought in some new scouts and Ireland. They adapted and changed and it brought us a lot of success.
TLDR; Ireland and Loomis were scared of hiring a new coach and being challenged on some of their questionable drafting and roster management and didn't want to build a new relationship with a new coach with a different philosophy so they hired the guy that wouldn't do that and a guy that closely resembled Payton instead of going in a different, possibly better direction with someone like McConnell, Daboll or McDaniel.
The process was all bullshite. We were never seriously considering other coaches. It was ALWAYS going to be DA and I think that was a poor decision by Gayle, Loomis and Ireland. Bottom line, they weren't ready to move on from Sean. They all thought he was coming back and so they put a band aid on the situation i.e. Dennis Allen. I also thought they were scared of a new coach who would potentially challenge them on how they scout, draft and acquire talent in Free Agency. Part of the problem was similar to how Payton got stagnant as a coach from 2012-2016. He never got rid of his good ole boy coaching staff and wanted to repeat the success despite those guys on his staff being complete failures and being, quite honestly, outdated. Once Payton got rid of them, injected new blood into the staff and realized they weren't drafting well, they brought in some new scouts and Ireland. They adapted and changed and it brought us a lot of success.
TLDR; Ireland and Loomis were scared of hiring a new coach and being challenged on some of their questionable drafting and roster management and didn't want to build a new relationship with a new coach with a different philosophy so they hired the guy that wouldn't do that and a guy that closely resembled Payton instead of going in a different, possibly better direction with someone like McConnell, Daboll or McDaniel.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
He didn’t, but they didn’t hire him that quickly and pretty sure they interviewed others
Liked Daboll too though
Liked Daboll too though
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:28 pm to WicKed WayZ
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. They all thought he was coming back
Wait...what?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:28 pm to WicKed WayZ
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It was ALWAYS going to be DA and I think that was a poor decision by Gayle, Loomis and Ireland. Bottom line, they weren't ready to move on from Sean
Naw. It's not this.
It's the same reasoning why we gave up all that future capital to move up to pick Olave.
Our front office/ownership thought we are a steam engine who is in title contention and we can't change things up too much.
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McConnell, Daboll or McDaniel.
Daboll or McDaniel would be dreams, but they picked their #1 destination this year.
We MAY have had a shot at KOC, but does anyone think he's have chosen Jameis(maybe)/injured Thomas/Kamara over Cousins/Jefferson/Theilan/Cook?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:30 pm to Lester Earl
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He didn’t, but they didn’t hire him that quickly and pretty sure they interviewed others
HE was the one being particular more than the Dolphins.
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Liked Daboll too though
Same thing. He probably could have had a job after 2020 but waited for his preferred job. He's from the NY area, so the Giants make sense.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:30 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Payton's offense was getting stale and carmichael is just running that.
I didn't mind sticking with allen but i did want a new oc.
Bring in someone young and innovative. Carmichael can work of everything is perfect.
I thought DA COULD be successful here. But his first big mistake was hiring Pete after (I assume) he lost out on some of the other guys he wanted. His tenure as our coach will be determined by how long he keeps Pete around. Jameis too for that matter.
It's pretty clear Pete only stuck around because he was boys with Payton and after he was gone, Pete considered retiring and probably would have had DA and the FO not begged him to stay. It doesn't even look like he wants to coach. If we continue to struggle this mightily on offense, DA will be pushed to make changes at both QB and at OC, which is kind of what I hope for. I don't want to punt the season away. But I've never been a believer in Jameis WITHOUT Payton but without a first round pick this year, it would be impossible to move up for Stroud, Levis or Young without Payton being traded for a bounty.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
100% and I still think they found out the miami crap was true and told him to "retire" and moved on.
I'm not sold or selling on DA he's 1-1 for goodness sake
I'm not sold or selling on DA he's 1-1 for goodness sake
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Naw. It's not this.
I mean it kind of is if you read the rest of my post. They wanted continuity from Payton instead of taking a "risk" and going for someone else who might challenge dumbass decisions like moving up for Olave
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:35 pm to goatmilker
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I'm not sold or selling on DA he's 1-1 for goodness sake
I'm not either but it was disappointing to see him bring back Pete. If the offense continues to look this bad and DA sticks by Pete, he probably won't be here long enough to draft his own guy at QB and have him develop under a different OC. The defense was improved from week 1 to 2 but even though DA is a defensive guy, he still has to make sure the offense is improving.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
I get it, but it’s also not my professional job to finger potential HC candidates and/or convince them to sit down with me for an interview.
Regardless if those two were interested or not, the Saints’ process was poor, especially when vetting OC candidates. It was Allen all along, ok, fine. When Carmichael was not interested in the OC job, they should have ended it there. Not continue to beg him
Regardless if those two were interested or not, the Saints’ process was poor, especially when vetting OC candidates. It was Allen all along, ok, fine. When Carmichael was not interested in the OC job, they should have ended it there. Not continue to beg him
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:39 pm to Lester Earl
His defense still performing at a Super Bowl level tho. Brady couldn't do shite. His lowly drive was referee assisted where they were basically making up calls to get him down the field. The offense failed the team. Mark Ingram was the turning point. Dude had two hands on that ball and still got stripped. We score a TD there and we win. Then Jameis opened up the flood gates with 3 straight picks. If we can get competent QB play this a top 5 team.
This post was edited on 9/20/22 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:40 pm to Parallax
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It was unlikely the Saints were going to rock the boat with so many veterans. Allen will last 2-3 years and then we will undergo a proper rebuild that hopefully includes a new young coaching staff.
Unfortunately, I see this as the most likely scenario. The FO set him up to fail. DA can't pivot off Jameis without draft capital to acquire one. His only hope is Gayle gives him a 3 years instead of just two, this year and next.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:46 pm to goatmilker
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Wait...what?
You don't remember the whole situation where he didn't know if he just needed time off or if he wanted to retire so he met with Gayle and she was pretty sure he was coming back and just wanted to give him time off.
Then he met with Mickey and Ireland and he pretty much gave it up that he was going to retire?
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:47 pm to Jadrammy
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His defense still performing at a Super Bowl level tho.
The defense is fine, I wouldn’t call it super bowl level
Neither ATL or TB are good offensive teams
Atl had their way for much of GM1. Tampa was partially healthy & a shell of what they are at full strength
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:47 pm to Lester Earl
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Regardless if those two were interested or not, the Saints’ process was poor,
I"m not disagreeing. I'm not cheerleading for Allen, either.
I'm just saying McDaniels/Daboll were the gets this offseason and we weren't in it for either of them.
Posted on 9/20/22 at 1:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’m guess I’m wondering what kind of effort was made to talk to those guys. I assume they had Allen in mind and were just lazy about getting other sit downs
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