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re: BOUNTY SUSPENSIONS OF PLAYERS OVERTURNED!!!!!.......for now
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:30 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:30 pm to Fearthehat0307
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alright i'm getting confused. on espn they were talking about that they couldn't prove there was an intent to injure that's why it was overturned.
Same here. Chris Mortensen clearly said on NFL Live that they wanted proof of the intent to injure and that it would be hard for Goodell to provide it.
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Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:31 pm to tehchampion140
Yeah. A lot of this stuff isn't making sense to me. What did the panel actually say?
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:32 pm to sicboy
Listen to WDSU for the latest
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BOUNTY SUSPENSIONS OF PLAYERS OVERTURNED!!!!!.......for now
Yeah. A lot of this stuff isn't making sense to me. What did the panel actually say?
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:32 pm to Patrick O Rly
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I think he might be trolling. I've never seen the guy before.
He's one of the best posters on this site.
And he's right. That's what the ruling says.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:33 pm to sicboy
The panel said there was a pay for performance/pay for intent to injure system
but goodell overstepped his boundaries by punishing them for the pay for performance aspect, he's only able to suspend for intent to injure.
He suspended them with evidence alluding to a pay-for-performance system, and now he has to prove that there was intent to injure, which will be much more difficult with what evidence he's provided so far.
but goodell overstepped his boundaries by punishing them for the pay for performance aspect, he's only able to suspend for intent to injure.
He suspended them with evidence alluding to a pay-for-performance system, and now he has to prove that there was intent to injure, which will be much more difficult with what evidence he's provided so far.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:33 pm to MrLSU
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BOUNTY SUSPENSIONS OF PLAYERS OVERTURNED!!!!!.......for now
You don't say.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:34 pm to tehchampion140
This is all complicated as shite. I thought this was in court because the players have exhausted all other recourse. We're all waiting for the court to make a ruling and this panel which I've never heard of swoops in and vacates the suspensions.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:34 pm to tehchampion140
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Chris Mortensen clearly said on NFL Live that they wanted proof of the intent to injure and that it would be hard for Goodell to provide it.
Exactly. Why else do you think they tried to offer Vilma a little reduce after he took em to court.
Why do you think this was a unanimous decision.. He aint got shite.
Why everyone thinking this is a bad thing?
This does not benefit Goodell in any way.. no matter how yall try to spin it for him. It makes him look bad.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:37 pm to HMTVBrian2
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The panel said there was a pay for performance/pay for intent to injure system
but goodell overstepped his boundaries by punishing them for the pay for performance aspect, he's only able to suspend for intent to injure.
He suspended them with evidence alluding to a pay-for-performance system, and now he has to prove that there was intent to injure, which will be much more difficult with what evidence he's provided so far.
This is probably the best post on the subject.. clears a lot up.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:38 pm to HMTVBrian2
quote:Except he doesn't have to prove we had a pay for injure program. He's still judge and executioner and now has an appeals panel agreeing with him that the Saints had a pay to injure program.
The panel said there was a pay for performance/pay for intent to injure system
but goodell overstepped his boundaries by punishing them for the pay for performance aspect, he's only able to suspend for intent to injure.
He suspended them with evidence alluding to a pay-for-performance system, and now he has to prove that there was intent to injure, which will be much more difficult with what evidence he's provided so far.
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:39 pm to tehchampion140
Has there been any suggestion of additional evidence?
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:40 pm to eyeran
He'll have to prove it, eventually, in court if it comes to that. But yeah, he can just come back and suspend them again if he wants to.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:42 pm to HMTVBrian2
During another players appeal, I mean to say. He's obviously going to re-suspend them eventually but it's going to go back to court at some point and he's going to have to prove it. Maybe he can. We'll have to wait and see.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:42 pm to HMTVBrian2
BLACK AND GOLD SUPERBOWL!
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:45 pm to beauchristopher
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Chris Mortensen clearly said on NFL Live that they wanted proof of the intent to injure and that it would be hard for Goodell to provide it.
My take on this is that this is an effort to allow Goodell to save face, while at the same time give an incentive to both sides to try to resolve it.
The appeals panel has ruled that Goodell's discipline involved both facets of the alleged pay for performance and intent to injure scheme, and Goodell's punishment was for both areas and he only had jurisdiction for intent to injure.
They have not ruled that there was sufficient evidence to sustain discipline on an intent to injure scheme, only that they affirm that Goodell has jurisdiction to impose discipline if there is proof of such a scheme.
In short, players win a reprieve and if Goodell wants to punish, he must have another hearing, and this time it won't only be before his media lapdogs. He has to deliver the goods, i.e. a meaningful hearing with witnesses and cross-examination.
Commish wins on the issue that if there is proof of intent to injure, he has jurisdiction to discipline.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:45 pm to Fearthehat0307
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but who knows he might have got the itch. is it correct as far as you know what i stated espn said?
Don't be ridiculous mon
I pasted the tweet that was the source of my conclusion right underneath. I'm really at a loss as to why that tweet seems to be invisible to everyone else on the board besides Fun Bunch and a few others. This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:48 pm to cdaniel76
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Falcon Fans are going to stroke out upon hearing this! "But, but, but... They have an extra player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Never thought of that angle.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:49 pm to TigerinATL
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The panel said there was a pay for performance/pay for intent to injure system
what evidence led the panel to decide that they were running an intent-to-injure?
This post was edited on 9/7/12 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:49 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm really at a loss as to why that tweet seems to be invisible to everyone else on the board besides Fun Bunch and a few others.
Well, if we pretend that tweet doesn't exist, maybe it will just go away.
Posted on 9/7/12 at 4:50 pm to TigerinATL
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2) This ruling confirmed that there was both an illegal payment program in place and an intent to injure program, they only said Goodell had to reconsider the penalties, not that the players were innocent. From the OP:
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Gabe Feldman ?@SportsLawGuy Panel finds that bounty conduct both constituted payment in violation of CBA and payment with intent to injure other players.
I'm not sure that is accurate (certainly could be wrong). But, the actual language reads as follows:
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The panel, which described its decision as "cumbersome," said, "In our view the alleged bounty program was both an undisclosed agreement to provide compensation to players and an agreement to cause injury to opposing players," league sources told Schefter.
I think what the panel is doing is only offering an opinion on whether the allegations fall under Goodell's power to discipline. And, in their opinion, the allegations in part fall under the power of the independent arbitrator.
I don't think they are saying that they have reviewed the evidence and have come to the conclusion that the Saints actually did have a pay to injure program in place.
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