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Benjamin Watson says Dennis Allen has already lost the team.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:37 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:37 am
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This was in response to a tweet about the Dennis Allen stuff. Watson was loved in every locker room so I think he’s qualified to make this comment.
This was in response to a tweet about the Dennis Allen stuff. Watson was loved in every locker room so I think he’s qualified to make this comment.
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If your players or assistant coaches don’t run the plays you call, you’ve already lost your team. If you’re comfortable enough to tell the world about it, there’s no turning back.
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:43 am to tigersquad89
I’d go so far as to say if you’re dumb enough to admit in the presser that you can’t control your players, it’s time for you to go. You take the hit publicly and deal with it privately. You never air the organization’s dirty laundry in public.
That being said, the organization also needs to deal w/ Winston. You can’t have mutinous players, regardless of whether the coach is a cuck or not.
That being said, the organization also needs to deal w/ Winston. You can’t have mutinous players, regardless of whether the coach is a cuck or not.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 6:45 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:54 am to Godfather1
McCoy should have put a stop to it and refuse to snap the ball.
I get that they wanted Jamal Williams to get his TD....a meaningless one at that, but to have your back up QB call the play without the coach's OK has to be unacceptable and worth a trip to the waiver wire. Would have been different if Carr made that call.
I get that they wanted Jamal Williams to get his TD....a meaningless one at that, but to have your back up QB call the play without the coach's OK has to be unacceptable and worth a trip to the waiver wire. Would have been different if Carr made that call.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 6:58 am to KiwiHead
Carr would have kneeled the ball because he’s not a pussy. Part of this teams problem is lack of discipline and the reason why they can’t win games and finish games because they don’t have discipline. They need a head coach who has the balls to make his team accountable for their actions. I’ll be honest I don’t see how Dennis Allen can recover from this.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 6:59 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:06 am to KiwiHead
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McCoy should have put a stop to it and refuse to snap the ball.
At the end of the day this is a game. These guys wanted to get their teammate and probably friend a TD and have some fun.
Allen should have defended his team and handled any problems internally. I don’t even see where it’s a debate.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:12 am to tigersquad89
We all know that. You can tell in the body language and interviews of the players. Remember, this is the idiot that put Winston in to take a knee and then blamed the fans. Fick that guy.
This post was edited on 1/8/24 at 9:22 am
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:15 am to Swagga
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Allen should have defended his team and handled any problems internally. I don’t even see where it’s a debate.
Exactly my thoughts.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 7:26 am to beauchristopher
Plus it’s the falcons. frick em
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:10 am to Swagga
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Allen should have defended his team and handled any problems internally. I don’t even see where it’s a debate.
This is how that issue should have been handled.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 8:12 am to tigersquad89
They never did respect him, and never will ... it showed all year long. He may be a good DC, but he's not an NFL HC. He needs to be fired.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:05 am to tigersquad89
Same thing happened to McCarthy in Green Bay, but he had won a Super Bowl and it was Aaron Rodgers doing the punking, not Jameis Winston on a non- playoff team.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:46 am to tigersquad89
Jameis may not have developed here but man if his frick you to Dennis somehow expedites the end of this tenure, he deserves Saints HOF consideration.
But this organization has its head up it’s arse so they’ll ignore what happened yesterday and the message it sent to the league
But this organization has its head up it’s arse so they’ll ignore what happened yesterday and the message it sent to the league
Posted on 1/8/24 at 9:49 am to tigersquad89
Ben Watson may be my favorite all-time Saint, as much for the person he is off the field as he was on. If a guy like Watson sees this as an indicator that DA is pretty much done as a viable coach, then the organization should take notice. Watson is not your typical talking head just looking for clicks or notice, not a hot-take guy. He is as much a person of integrity as there is in that business.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 10:38 am to tigersquad89
Watson's better equipped to answer that more than any of us who have never played in the NFL, but I disagree with him. This is the last 1:10 of the season barring a baby miracle for us to get into the playoffs, and Winston will likely not be here next year anyways. I'm not a big Allen supporter in general, but one could argue the players fought for him a lot during the season.
I hated how he threw Olave under the bus after that Jaguars game for not running his route 100% when Carr missed the open read underneath and threw the ball well out of bounds, but this is not throwing Jamies under the bus. He should have not said it publicly, yet at least, but it's also not throwing Jamies under the bus. I believe any coach not in the heat of the moment would realize that no HC or OC would call a cheap trick play like that.
Also for those calling for McCcoy or any others to blame, they very well could have agreed in the huddle and Ruiz said as much, but even if they disagreed if they know that's what Winston & Williams are doing then they have to block for it or else their teammate could get hurt
I hated how he threw Olave under the bus after that Jaguars game for not running his route 100% when Carr missed the open read underneath and threw the ball well out of bounds, but this is not throwing Jamies under the bus. He should have not said it publicly, yet at least, but it's also not throwing Jamies under the bus. I believe any coach not in the heat of the moment would realize that no HC or OC would call a cheap trick play like that.
Also for those calling for McCcoy or any others to blame, they very well could have agreed in the huddle and Ruiz said as much, but even if they disagreed if they know that's what Winston & Williams are doing then they have to block for it or else their teammate could get hurt
Posted on 1/8/24 at 10:42 am to burke985
The team, ie the players, want what we all want Burke. DA gone. They did the right thing to try and force the FO's hand. I for one hope it works. You don't and tha's OK.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:23 am to KiwiHead
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get that they wanted Jamal Williams to get his TD....a meaningless one at that
Is it though? Jamaal is an outgoing & gregarious guy; obviously well-liked in the locker-room. He had no TDs this year until that final minute of the season, after having 17 the year before.
This was a thoughtful gesture by a band of brothers for a good dude that had been in the trenches with them during the highs & lows where Jamaal likely lifted spirits routinely. That might conceivably end up as Jamaal's most meaningful TD when he looks back on his career.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:25 am to mdomingue
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Ben Watson may be my favorite all-time Saint
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Watson is not your typical talking head just looking for clicks or notice, not a hot-take guy.
I agree with every tweet I've seen from him.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 11:33 am to tigersquad89
Here we go. Slot left, 35 dive.
f*cking Allen! sh*t's f*cked up.
We'll change that to 25 dot.
Don't be stupid. What? No way, man.
Does somebody have a problem with Jamal putting one in the end zone?
No, sir. I didn't think so.
Slot left, 25 dive, on one. Slot left, 25 dive, on one. Ready?
Break! Break!
Let's take it in. Go!
Yeah!
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Yeah, baby! Yeah!
Yeah! Yeah!
Thanks, Jameo. Thanks, baby. Yeah! Let's go.
Yeah, keep it up, assh*le
f*cking Allen! sh*t's f*cked up.
We'll change that to 25 dot.
Don't be stupid. What? No way, man.
Does somebody have a problem with Jamal putting one in the end zone?
No, sir. I didn't think so.
Slot left, 25 dive, on one. Slot left, 25 dive, on one. Ready?
Break! Break!
Let's take it in. Go!
Yeah!
Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!
Yeah, baby! Yeah!
Yeah! Yeah!
Thanks, Jameo. Thanks, baby. Yeah! Let's go.
Yeah, keep it up, assh*le
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:07 pm to Swagga
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At the end of the day this is a game. These guys wanted to get their teammate and probably friend a TD and have some fun. Allen should have defended his team and handled any problems internally. I don’t even see where it’s a debate.
The games was won, and should have been the last play of the season for the falcons. Don’t show a victory formation with a backup QB and run a play unless you want to feel the backlash. Real competitors wouldn’t even consider that a touchdown.
Would have been hard for Allen to defend his team while he is the one getting cursed at at midfield while the players are telling the press they over rode his decision. I think the criticism of Allen not having control of his team is warranted. But we can’t also expect him to “defend” what his team did while holding him to the standard that it shouldn’t have happened.
Players not having respect for their coach is not just a team by team thing, there is an erosion of sports culture and society at large of basic hierarchies, giving the team a pass while also trying to hold the coach accountable will only serve to further that erosion.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 12:23 pm to tigersquad89
I’m convinced that if Allen was fired that nearly the whole team would tweet out how happy they were at the news. We are so fricked with this guy at the helm.
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