re: 5 wins? Do we really think the team is no better this season?

Our defense could take a significant step back.

(7) Wins total is my mark.
3 Wins=Splitting division games with ATL, CAR, TB
4 Wins=Splitting with ARI, SEA, NYG, NE, CHI, LAR, NYJ, TEN

Position Groups 2024 vs 2025:
Better=RB, OL, S, STs, Coaching
Worse=QB, LB
Same=WR, TE, DE/Edge, IDL, CB

QB=Worse. But not by a lot. Carr was above average, Rattler/Haener were subpar. Expect Shough/Rattler to be worse than Carr, but better than the Rattler/Haener games last season.

RB=Better. Kamara is a year older, but Edwards-Helaire should be a good spell back, if Miller gives us anything it'll be better than last season, we'll see if Neal can provide anything

WR=Same. If injuries can hold off, this should be better.

TE=Same.

OL=Better. Fuaga should get better, Banks should be an improvement over Penning, Penning should continue to improve. McCoy & Ruiz should be the same. Radunz should be better than the backups we had to use

DE/Edge=Same. Granderson should be same, Young should improve 1 more year removed from neck injury. Anything from Foskey or Diggs is a plus. All depends on new scheme.

IntDL=Same. Shepherd, Saunders, Ridgeway are what they are. Can Davon Godchaux, Kristian Boyd & Vernon Broughton be an improvement? Jordan & Bresee depend on scheme.

LB=Worse. Davis already lost a step last year. Werner still needs to improve. Can Danny Stutsman, Jaylon Ford, Isaiah Stallbird, or D'Marco Jackson provide anything better than depth & STs?

OCB=Same (due to 23 injuries). Adebo & Lattimore are better on paper but they only played 7 games each. Alontae Taylor & Isaac Yiadom figure to be #1/#2. Taylor has to be more consistent. Is Yiadom a 17 game NFL boundary corner starter? Can Rico Payton build on what we saw last year and earn meaningful snaps? Can rookie Quincy Riley earn the #3CB spot? Where does Kool-Aid fit best, S, or slot, or boundary CB?

SLCB=Kool-Aid, Riley, Amade, Mathieu; who's best in the slot?

S=Better. Reid should be an improvement. Mathieu may regress. Howdon, Amadie, Gray are what they are. Can Jonas Sanker earn a role?

STs=Better. Grupe should continue to improve. Hayball also should, or Burnip will beat him out

Coaching=Better. Basically has to be upgrade over Dennis Allen & Darren Rizzi

I believe we should be able to get more than 5. However, there isn't a lot of room for missteps.

I expect coaching to be better with an offensive minded HC. DA was awful and Kubiak wasn't very good at making adjustments. He had the same issues in Minnesota. Start off with a good 1st QTR plan but once the defense made adjustments the rest of the game the offense would struggle.

Only way I see the Saints winning 5+ is if our running game is strong which can setup deep play action passes. And if the defense with the new scheme is better than what they look like on paper.

Don't expect too many come from behind wins.

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Long and short is the rebuild is finally underway and the results from this year aren't about wins.

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I want to believe this, but it won't hit until the trade deadline and they don't make any major moves/trades. It looks like they had started some of the necessary moves last offseason, then they tried to trade for D Adams. Maybe that's why Gayle forced the situation and "made" Loomis fire DA. Force him to accept a rebuild instead of constantly trying to get that last piece of the puzzle.

Get through camp without trying to make a major move, and I will agree they have finally accepted their fate and are working to rebuild.

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Retarded GM
Rookie coach, QB
30 year old RB, no proven depth
Injury prone WRs
Injury prone TEs
Lots of dead cap
Lots of over 30 plus star players and some that no longer play like it

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Literally all of this was true last year except instead of a rookie coach we had the worst NFL Head coach of the last 25 years, and the team won 5 games

Yes.

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Same as last year on a 5 win team is never good.

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I agree with this if someone is trying to argue this team will make the playoffs. That is not happening unless Moore is a god tier coach or Shough/Rattler become great players.

But there are a lot of people arguing this team will be the worst in the league, and I just don't see it.

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Older Demario and Honey Badger, sure, but that doesn't mean they fall off a cliff from last year. DL the same or better.

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Demario’s is now VERY old for an nfl player and is very close to falling off a cliff age. As is honey badger for his position.

My biggest thing is just how tenuous the skilled position players are. The WR and RB groups are both extremely thin for presumably a very green QB.

It’s way more likely than not that it’s a very rough year for us even if we’re not playing terrible.

Usually whenever someone posts that they think it will be tough sledding the just get downvoted to shite. My question is where are the wins coming from outside of one of the two QBs just really playing above expectations? Everyone else is likely getting better as well. What’s the winning formula look like for our current roster that gets us to 9/10 wins and the division?

5?
The oddsmakers have us at one. The Giants at home.

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5? The oddsmakers have us at one. The Giants at home.

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