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re: Zion reached out to CJ

Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:46 pm to
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He will 100% get asked

I can give you CJ's answer before CJ does, "I won't get into the details of our conversation, but I can tell you that Zion is working hard and can't wait to get healthy and back with his teammates."
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 2:47 pm
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22228 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:46 pm to
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Where is he going to find greener grass than Willie Green, CJ, BI, Herb and JV?

If the Knicks trade for him it's not like they'd have enough leftover to trade for Dame too.

I think it will all work itself out in the end because there really isn't a better choice for him than the Pels. But we won't be able to move forward until he's healthy enough to play.
This is only if you assume his decision is based on his best opportunity to win. He wanted NY coming into the draft. Nobody thought the Knicks were a good organization. Thats why we only hear about their market.

Guys would go to San Antonio or OKC if they cared about good organizations or franchises that could build a winner.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:47 pm to
I also think people are forgetting he posted stuff about CJ on social media the day of the trade. All three of his recent Twitter posts have been CJ related.

I said it at one point, but there are possible answers to this that have entirely benign and non-doom inducing explanations.

Like, despite being the name of the team, he probably still doesnt feel like this is his team, and he's also immature, young, and not everyone at 21 understands the expected norms of leadership and such. He's also in Portland, is shy, introverted, and may not have honestly thought CJ, this 30 year old vet who has achieved far more than him, cared enough or was expecting it. I mean this is literally the first big name trade we've made in the Zion era. Might just be a learning experience.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130170 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:48 pm to
Right. It was 100% about fame, star power, endorsement power.

He knew that in NYC he could make himself a billionaire off of endorsements if he was any good.
Posted by jmcwhrter
Member since Nov 2012
7975 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:49 pm to
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Where is he going to find greener grass than Willie Green, CJ, BI, Herb and JV?

If the Knicks trade for him it's not like they'd have enough leftover to trade for Dame too.


You guys keep assuming that Zion cares more about basketball than he does a luxe New York penthouse, better restaurants, better clubs, better shopping, better celebrities, etc etc etc

not to mention the people he gets direct advice from, would MOST DEFINITELY prefer an upgrade to a bigger city where they can get more for their millions
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 2:51 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30319 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:56 pm to
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I also think people are forgetting he posted stuff about CJ on social media the day of the trade. All three of his recent Twitter posts have been CJ related.




he's retweeted Pelicans stuff all year, especially about Jose and Herb and BI, and recently CJ.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22228 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 2:56 pm to
One thing the NFL gets right is you never hear people whining that KC isn't a big enough market for Mahomes. Or Manning in Indy, Brees in NOLA, Favre/Rodgers in GB. Lawrence was supposedly on of the best prospects since Luck and not once did I hear people question whether or not the Jacksonville market was good enough for him.

You can't watch an NBA show without the hosts and ex players sounding like a marketing firm.
Posted by NolaTiger52
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
2120 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:03 pm to
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One thing the NFL gets right is you never hear people whining that KC isn't a big enough market for Mahomes. Or Manning in Indy, Brees in NOLA, Favre/Rodgers in GB. Lawrence was supposedly on of the best prospects since Luck and not once did I hear people question whether or not the Jacksonville market was good enough for him. You can't watch an NBA show without the hosts and ex players sounding like a marketing firm.

I’m trying to understand the difference though, and how the NFL controls this.

Is it simply because the NBA is a much smaller league, and much more dependent on star players?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130170 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:05 pm to
NBA is MUCH more star focused, with less players on each team, and as a result the players have a much much much stronger union and CBA.

Players are considered much more disposable in football and the team is everything.

In Basketball you have millions of c on z's that are fans of players.

Its almost like think of every player in the NFL was a WR and had that diva personality. That's the NBA.
Posted by Mad Scientist26
Member since Jul 2018
2316 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:13 pm to
Zion is full of it. He only reached out because he was getting called out about it. He’s been showing us that he doesn’t want to be here. JJ even basically confirmed that he’s all about himself.
This post was edited on 2/22/22 at 3:14 pm
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20963 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:17 pm to
I think that the evidence that Zion wants out is very slim. The evidence that he's immature and unprofessional and lazy -- that's overwhelming.

I am absolutely not sold on the idea that he would have always been under 250 pounds, if only he were in NYC.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
22228 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:25 pm to
Its become so ingrained that you've got fans pumping it.

Why someone in Alabama cares what market Zion or Giannis plays in is baffling to me. You're watching the games on tv regardless and you're not getting an endorsement kick back.

Somebody in Iowa posting about how Dame needs to get out of Portland just sounds like a moron.

If guy's aren't playing in NOLA, they can sign in Afghanistan for all I care. Im watching the game from my bed or sofa either way.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13142 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:27 pm to
Zion’s shoe dropped today and he decided to care about the Pels for 5 minutes.

Coincidence? If you think so, I have some magic beans to sell you.
Posted by 5iveEuax4eaux
Member since Jan 2020
696 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:30 pm to
Gonna guess that whatever it is it's about 6 and a half feet tall and weights about tree fiddy.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17651 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:32 pm to
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he's immature and unprofessional

This is 99% of it. Like JJ said, guys have to learn to be a leader, it doesn't come natural and is very rare for 19 year olds to be a leader.

The unprofessional part is he may feel since he's not the leader of the team, he shouldn't have to welcome anyone.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130170 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:32 pm to
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Zion’s shoe dropped today and he decided to care about the Pels for 5 minutes.


Zion posts about the Pelicans in his Insta stories regularly.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
5315 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:37 pm to
timing is interesting isn't it.
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:38 pm to
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he shouldn't have to welcome anyone.


Or that he's shy, or that he doesn't feel it's his place, or that CJ is a 30 year old accomplished vet and he is just this injured dude with hype on his name.

Lots of reasons that aren't doom and gloom are possible here. Including he's just 21, immature, and doesn't know how to be a true leader yet
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30319 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:39 pm to
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I’m trying to understand the difference though, and how the NFL controls this.



You just saw the 10-7 Bengals make it to the superbowl and almost win it. (and people did question if Burrow should actually play for them)
You saw the Giants win the superbowl with a 9-7 and a 10-6 record. Packers and Ravens won it at 10-6. other teams have made it there at 9-7 and 10-6.


There's been 13 different Super bowl champs in the last 16 years, and 6 more teams that have played in it in that time frame that haven't won one. That's 19 different NFL teams that have played for the superbowl in the last 16 years.

Lebron and/or the Lakers have been in the Finals 13 of the last 15 years.
6 teams have won the finals outside of those two in the last 15 years, and two of them were in the last 3 years.
we pretty much know every year who's going to win the finals in the NBA. There's only been 14 teams that have won the NBA finals in the last 42 years, counting Lebron's (Heat/Cavs teams as 1), and before the last 3 years with Toronto and Milwaukee winning, every team that has won a championship since 1984 has won mulitple titles in that time frame.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112848 posts
Posted on 2/22/22 at 3:42 pm to
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Or that he's shy, or that he doesn't feel it's his place, or that CJ is a 30 year old accomplished vet and he is just this injured dude with hype on his name.

I think every super elite of the elite star has shown either vocal leadership traits or leading by example by Zion's age.

If that is the case, I'd find it very hard to believe this guy can turn into any kind of a leader, or at the very least, it would buck the trend of how we normally see it in action.

Being too shy and feeling it's not your place year 3 in the league, I just don't see how you recover from that and go all the way to the other end and can become a true leader of a team, like basically every dude who leads a team to a title is, the ultimate team leader.
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