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Posted on 7/9/23 at 10:20 am to Giantkiller
quote:I've never heard a "2 weeks away" joke, this is hilarious!
just back here from the future. Zion hurts his toe/calf/ankle/hammy just before preseason, but the good news is that he’s just 2 weeks away
Posted on 7/9/23 at 12:44 pm to shel311
Did you hear the ones about Zion being fat yet? Man, those are a freakin’ hoot!
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:30 pm to whatiknowsofar
quote:Lebron has played at 250 for many years.
Charles Barkley played at 252, same height as Zion
Posted on 7/9/23 at 2:31 pm to brmark70816
quote:No, you are wanting him to reconstruct his body AND his entire game. Why draft him #1 if you want both? Go play your video game and be happy.
Yes. He has to reconstruct his body. We all knew that when he was drafted. It's supposed to be an ongoing process. There was a lot of us that talked about him becoming more of a wing (3/4), especially if he didn't get taller. We figured he would shed the baby fat and his conditioning would improve.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 3:55 pm to brmark70816
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He should weigh under 250lbs. He should be lean and ripped. I have poured over 100s of comments on Zion by anyone associated with basketball or the fitness community. No one believes that his current physique, condition, or goals will amount to future success. His body will continually break down. It's a fact.
the guy was playing st like 270-280
there is a big difference between 280 not being sustainable and under 250 being the goal.
one of the reasons Zion is a so good is because he’s an enormous guyZ
you still want him to be big. look at Shaq on the lakers: not a weight he could play at his whole career but also u stoppable due to size.
when he comes through the lane you want guys bouncing off him not vice versa.
This post was edited on 7/10/23 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 7/10/23 at 4:36 pm to brmark70816
Never realized Maggette was that jacked/strong. 460 bench, yeesh.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 7:22 pm to SammyTiger
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there is a big difference between 280 not being sustainable and under 250 being the goal.
What's the goal?
Seriously, how much is the max you think a 6'6 basketball player can or should weigh?
Jason Taylor is a NFL HOF DE that was 6'6 and played under 250. Does he really need to weigh as much as NFL defensive lineman?
At some point, you don't need anymore muscle or bulk and it's just extra holding you back/down. So how much is too much and how much better would he be without it?
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when he comes through the lane you want guys bouncing off him not vice versa.
No. I don't want him playing that way. That's just not sustainable. Collisions cause injuries. Even if he's the one initiating. He needs to develop away from that and unleash it a couple of times a game. It can't be his primary..
Posted on 7/11/23 at 8:57 am to TackySweater
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Don’t we do this every year?
yep.... par for the course...
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:03 pm to brmark70816
quote:What in the hell does this have to do with anything at all?
Jason Taylor is a NFL HOF DE that was 6'6 and played under 250. Does he really need to weigh as much as NFL defensive lineman?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:24 pm to NOSHAU
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What in the hell does this have to do with anything at all?
It's body composition. The only examples I can reference are NFL players. You don't see any issue with that?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:25 pm to NOSHAU
The spirit of what Brmark is saying, is correct and we have 4 years of Zion data to back it up, along with well over 50 years of nba data.
The weight needs to change significantly and the physical style needs to be tapered. I’m not saying Zion needs to start playing like Curry, but mixing in jump shots like Giannis is 100% necessary for more sustainable health and longevity.
It’s like some of you guys don’t want Zion to be playing in the nba past the age of 26.
Sure, it’s cool that the guy has played excellent offensive basketball at weight ranges of 275-315 pounds for the Pelicans.
But he’d be much healthier and much more effective player overall if he was consistently to stay in the 240-260 range and he took 5-7 jump shots a game (which would result in 400-600 less high impact landings and collisions per season).
You think Z has bounce and speed now? Look at him when he’s at Duke or even in High School. Both places he was also a more effective defender overall as well bc his conditioning and quickness were both a lot better.
People on here are acting like the only reason why he is good at basketball is bc he’s 290 pounds. That’s absolutely false. There is a lot of skill and nuance to Zion’s game that would be only amplified if he wasn’t carrying 30 pounds too many.
At 250, he’d still outweigh 96% of the league. At 260, he’d still outweigh 98% of the league.
People act like he’s going to be some weakling that is trash at basketball if he loses another 20-30 pounds. It’s honestly going to enhance his game if he ever committed to it.
The weight needs to change significantly and the physical style needs to be tapered. I’m not saying Zion needs to start playing like Curry, but mixing in jump shots like Giannis is 100% necessary for more sustainable health and longevity.
It’s like some of you guys don’t want Zion to be playing in the nba past the age of 26.
Sure, it’s cool that the guy has played excellent offensive basketball at weight ranges of 275-315 pounds for the Pelicans.
But he’d be much healthier and much more effective player overall if he was consistently to stay in the 240-260 range and he took 5-7 jump shots a game (which would result in 400-600 less high impact landings and collisions per season).
You think Z has bounce and speed now? Look at him when he’s at Duke or even in High School. Both places he was also a more effective defender overall as well bc his conditioning and quickness were both a lot better.
People on here are acting like the only reason why he is good at basketball is bc he’s 290 pounds. That’s absolutely false. There is a lot of skill and nuance to Zion’s game that would be only amplified if he wasn’t carrying 30 pounds too many.
At 250, he’d still outweigh 96% of the league. At 260, he’d still outweigh 98% of the league.
People act like he’s going to be some weakling that is trash at basketball if he loses another 20-30 pounds. It’s honestly going to enhance his game if he ever committed to it.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:33 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Completely agree on everything here. He can do everything in the world to get ready for the season and stay healthy but at the end of the day only significant weight loss and a small shift in playing style will him help him greatly to have a long and healthy nba career.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 12:59 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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It’s like some of you guys don’t want Zion to be playing in the nba past the age of 26.
Or it's like that's not something we can control so let's just get him in good enough shape to play for most of a season, then we can worry about increasing his longevity.
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he’d be much healthier and much more effective player overall if he was consistently to stay in the 240-260 range and he took 5-7 jump shots a game
The game he pulled his hamstring in was interesting because he took and made 2-3 mid range jumpers over PJ Tucker. It's a shame he went down when he did if he was about to add that to the mix.
This post was edited on 7/11/23 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:11 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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But he’d be much healthier and much more effective player overall if he was consistently to stay in the 240-260 range and he took 5-7 jump shots a game (which would result in 400-600 less high impact landings and collisions per season).
Well said. Zion has some of the best touch around the rim I’ve ever seen, and that doesn’t go away playing at 260 vs 280+.
The real eye opening moment for me was finally getting to see Luka Doncic play in person this year, thinking he is so much thicker than everyone else, and then realizing you need to slap another 40+ pounds on luka to get to Zion.
Zion needs to be playing at below 270 to ever play 65 games in a season or to have any kind of career longevity.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:38 pm to TigerinATL
I blame that initial hamstring injury on Covid more than anything. He missed 7-10 days. Gained a few pounds. First game back was that Minny game where he played 40 high stress minutes, dropped 43 to carry us to victory. Think the Philly game was a few days later. I just don’t think he was in his normal shape at the time due to getting Covid. But he was pushing through and still playing the way he was the 10-15 games before that.
Truly the best stretch of Z we had ever seen. He was also making a huge impact defensively. Just a damn shame he couldn’t recover from the injury in 5 months. And that’s where the off court stuff, diet/stretching/dedication to rehab, especially comes into play. Last season could’ve easily still been special if he only missed 6-8 weeks instead of the rest of the reason.
Truly the best stretch of Z we had ever seen. He was also making a huge impact defensively. Just a damn shame he couldn’t recover from the injury in 5 months. And that’s where the off court stuff, diet/stretching/dedication to rehab, especially comes into play. Last season could’ve easily still been special if he only missed 6-8 weeks instead of the rest of the reason.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:42 pm to 3PieceSpicy
quote:And where did Shaq and Barkley rank? Not everyone is built or plays the same.
At 250, he’d still outweigh 96% of the league. At 260, he’d still outweigh 98% of the league.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:43 pm to brmark70816
quote:Don't see where a football player's body composition on build has anything whatsoever with an NBA player.
It's body composition. The only examples I can reference are NFL players. You don't see any issue with that?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:45 pm to ned nederlander
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The real eye opening moment for me was finally getting to see Luka Doncic play in person this year, thinking he is so much thicker than everyone else, and then realizing you need to slap another 40+ pounds on luka to get to Zion.
Unrelated, but seeing NBA players in person, in a normal environment is eye opening. Even a guy like Dwight, who was known for how physically imposing he was in his prime, is a pole. Super skinny. Goes for really all of these guys.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 1:52 pm to brmark70816
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The only examples I can reference are NFL players. You don't see any issue with that?
Barkley weighed 250+ and didn't have a significant injury history.
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