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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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But his PER was 13.4. That’s Dennis Smith territory.
Ayton’s was 20.5.
Per has a pretty heavily bias towards bigs.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:32 pm to Epic Cajun
PER awards efficiency. Plenty of Wings have great PERs.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:39 pm to shel311
I think SGA has one of, if not the highest upside of anyone in that class. And I think that will end up being a great class
I think some are getting too caught up in stats. Jahlil Okafor and MCW were next after their rookie years. Two guys who got numbers on 10 and 19 win teams. Ayton is obviously better than those guys but I want to see where he fits in on a good team. That suns team was so terrible to watch
I think some are getting too caught up in stats. Jahlil Okafor and MCW were next after their rookie years. Two guys who got numbers on 10 and 19 win teams. Ayton is obviously better than those guys but I want to see where he fits in on a good team. That suns team was so terrible to watch
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:43 pm to Fun Bunch
You’re right, I guess Enes Kanter is better than Jimmy Butler.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:58 pm to Chad504boy
quote:That's fair, and yet still there isn't 1 GM who would prefer #6 over Ayton.
Think LE’s biggest critique is his position
Hell, you make that trade than gladly trade Ayton for 5 or 4 pretty easily
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:13 pm to shel311
If you can get Garland at 6 and you can somewhat follow a Portland model
Garland and Jrue can become a dynamic backcourt. You have Ayton to be your Nurkic. But instead of Evan Turner you have ZION. Warren to be your Aminu. And you use your caproom better than blowing it on freaking Evan Turner and Allen Crabbe.
Garland and Jrue can become a dynamic backcourt. You have Ayton to be your Nurkic. But instead of Evan Turner you have ZION. Warren to be your Aminu. And you use your caproom better than blowing it on freaking Evan Turner and Allen Crabbe.
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:13 pm to shel311
I didn’t say I’d take 1.6 over Ayton. Wut? Where?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 10:16 pm to Fun Bunch
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PER awards efficiency. Plenty of Wings have great PERs
Where is he not efficient?
Posted on 5/22/19 at 11:20 pm to Lester Earl
I hate people that say this is a 4 player draft.
That shite ends up being wrong every year.
the past few drafts should tell you that.
the number 1 pick the last few yrs hasn't even been the best player or close to it.
Your making it sound as if it's a sure thing and you know exactly who will be elite and who won't.
That shite ends up being wrong every year.
the past few drafts should tell you that.
the number 1 pick the last few yrs hasn't even been the best player or close to it.
Your making it sound as if it's a sure thing and you know exactly who will be elite and who won't.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 6:09 am to Chalkywhite84
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Your making it sound as if it's a sure thing and you know exactly who will be elite and who won't.
I literally just said the opposite chalky
Simple law of averages says that it is unlikely the best players are all selected consecutively
But as an executive you want the highest pick possible, because they all have their guy
Posted on 5/23/19 at 6:24 am to Chalkywhite84
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I hate people that say this is a 4 player draft.
That shite ends up being wrong every year.
it's not that only 4 players have a shot, it's about the risk after those 4 players and how it dramatically increases
Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:01 am to Fun Bunch
SGAs per was higher actually 13.4 vs 12.3 and blows him(DSJ) out the water on pretty much any advanced metric
Guy shot 47/50/85 against GSW in that series
I don't think DSJ is as bad as some claim(his RPM wasnt too far from SGA 60 vs like 50) but i prefer SGA by a mile
Guy shot 47/50/85 against GSW in that series
I don't think DSJ is as bad as some claim(his RPM wasnt too far from SGA 60 vs like 50) but i prefer SGA by a mile
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 7:02 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:03 am to LosLobos111
i think the point is being slightly better than DSJ doesn't justify a higher ranking than Ayton on the "centerpiece" list
Posted on 5/23/19 at 7:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah I would never put him above ayton in that regard as much as I like SGA
I'm just saying PER says little
I'm just saying PER says little
This post was edited on 5/23/19 at 7:12 am
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:42 am to GynoSandberg
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That suns team was so terrible to watch
You keep saying this, but honestly, how many times did you watch the Suns play?
The Suns were a flaming trash heap. I can confirm that. But Booker and Ayton are legit.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:44 am to Chalkywhite84
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the number 1 pick the last few yrs hasn't even been the best player or close to it.
Ayton was all rookie first team, along with the guys behind him. I love Luka. I thought he was the guy we should've taken. I still love him. But Luka also was far more ready to step into the NBA and contribute immediately considering he'd played grown men. I don't think we can say he's the best player from that draft yet. Ayton, Trae and a couple others could seriously have a case soon.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 8:56 am to GeauxTigers2020
By some metrics Ayton was better all year but he was certainly better about the first half. He just didn't have the volume scoring of Luka
I got into this multiple times on the MSB. the metrics/analytics weren't universal for either, but there was enough to sincerely argue Ayton over Luka
I got into this multiple times on the MSB. the metrics/analytics weren't universal for either, but there was enough to sincerely argue Ayton over Luka
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Once again, I'd lean Luka, but Luka's background made him more NBA ready. He also was a dork who high fived himself, did some cool stepbacks and got posted on Twitter a ton. People who didn't watch Luka all saw Luka highlights. Ayton has no real personality, and he's a big guy who spends a lot of time in the paint and knocking down 10-20 foot shots. He's not sexy. Nobody actually watched/saw Ayton regularly. If people are honest, they watched like 2-4 Suns games when their team played the Suns.
Posted on 5/23/19 at 9:21 am to GeauxTigers2020
luka only shot like 71% at FT this year
that shite always made me crack up
but it's also why he's likely to way out-pace Ayton. i'm not saying Luka is inferior moving forward but THIS YEAR, Ayton has an argument
but we can't get Luka, just like we can't get many legit wing prospects (it's Tatum or bust, effectively), so discounting Ayton due to his position because a lot less effective of an argument when the alternative (elite wing prospect) simply doesn't have much to offer
that shite always made me crack up
but it's also why he's likely to way out-pace Ayton. i'm not saying Luka is inferior moving forward but THIS YEAR, Ayton has an argument
but we can't get Luka, just like we can't get many legit wing prospects (it's Tatum or bust, effectively), so discounting Ayton due to his position because a lot less effective of an argument when the alternative (elite wing prospect) simply doesn't have much to offer
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