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re: Windhorst: Pelicans will be sellers at deadline, Bledsoe also involved

Posted on 2/1/21 at 11:56 am to
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 11:56 am to
Is this where people tell me we are killing our future if we attach any picks with Lonzo/ Melli to get LaVine? I know everyone wants those #20-30 draft picks.

Also that's pretty much the only 2 players we would trade for on the Bulls besides Markannen soo.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:00 pm to
You’re gonna have to trade NAW or Hayes if you want LaVine. No one wants Melli
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:10 pm to
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Lauri is also in his last year and there is some talk of the Bulls moving him. It would be teams trading players with different skillsets to see if they would re-sign them because they aren't going to re-sign their own guy.

I think the Pels would have to attach extra value.


correct.
It's more of a we don't want Lonzo anymore, and they don't want Lauri anymore, or to be clearer, neither want to pay what they will get and they don't fit their team, so it's time to move on from them.
And yes i think we have to give up more to get him, but i would do it. The Bulls aren't going to give us a 1st and Satoransky or Thad Young, for Lonzo, so i think this trade has to involve Lauri, unless there is a third team involved. And i'm not giving up a 1st for him either. They can have 2 2nds or something like that.

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Also, the Lauri fit would be...interesting. Bring him in off the bench in a heightened Melli role? Play Zion more at 3 and small ball 5? I don't know.



That's the kind of things i'd like to see played around with to close the year out. Move Zion to the 3 and play Lauri with Adams at times. See how the offense looks with Lauri at the 5. I think the most important thing that has to happened with this team is Zion needs to become a better defender, or no combination of 4/5 guys is going to work unless we bring back AD.

There's no reason to care about wins and losses this year. Figure out what you have with your young players and whoever you get back in trades, make some more moves in the offseason and have a more stable team for the future going into next season.


Ball/Hart/Wash 2nd to Bulls
JJ/Lakers 22 1st to Celtics
Lauri/Nesmith/Satoransky to Pels

Sato can pretty much play the 1-3 in whatever role is needed.

And if i'm beign honest with myself, i think all the Bulls would offer is a straight Lonzo for Sato swap with maybe a 2nd or two offered as well, and to be honest, while i'm ok with that value, that doesn't solve the issue with SVG not playing Kira, b/c if that's the trade, and JJ goes to the Celtics for a pick or maybe Ojeleye, that doesn't really open up anything for Kira as SVG would just play Bledsoe/NAW/BI/Hart/Sato at the 1-2-3 spots, just like he's been doing when one guy is out, and it's pathetic that i'm having to look at trades that force our coach to play our first round pick by getting rid of two guards and not bringing a guard back.
Posted by England_Pelican
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:10 pm to
We aren’t getting Lavine unless we throw 3 or 4 firsts with Lonzo and NAW / Jax and probably JJ For salary

I imagine Chicago might still hang up laughing at that offer
This post was edited on 2/1/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:12 pm to
They’ll only give up Zach if he demands to leave
Posted by England_Pelican
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:16 pm to
Yup yup
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:20 pm to
Unless Lauri will get significantly less than Lonzo, I'd rather keep and overpay Lonzo than Lauri. I've only seen him when he plays the Pels but his defense is some of the worst I've ever seen, he makes Ryan Anderson look All NBA. I'd rather have neither, but I just don't see Lauri as a fit on this team. It'd be different if Zion was projecting as an elite defender, but that prospect seems iffy at the moment.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:32 pm to
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It'd be different if Zion was projecting as an elite defender, but that prospect seems iffy at the moment.



I agree, which is why i said it really does'nt matter what 5 or 4 we have if Zion doesn't get better on defense. At this point with Zion's defense, he literally needs AD out there to make it work, or a slightly younger Serge Ibaka.

Bleacher Report guy put this out there:

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Chicago Bulls Receive: Lonzo Ball

Houston Rockets Receive: Lauri Markkanen, JJ Redick, 2021 L.A. Lakers first-round pick (protected Nos. 8-30; unprotected in 2022), New Orleans’ 2022 first-round pick (lottery protection)

New Orleans Pelicans Receive: Victor Oladipo, P.J. Tucker


If Oladipo said he would resign, i'd do it, but i'm not giving up Lonzo and 2 1sts for a year of Oladipo.
I thin Oladipo would fit perfect next to BI. Provides good defense and can take the pressure off BI offensively.

That's not the first time i've heard of someone throwing out a trade where Oladipo comes to the Pels.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:38 pm to
That same trade was put up on RealGM trades board and there was universal derision and agreement that the Pels wouldn’t do that.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:01 pm to
but what if we were able to extend Oladipo as part of the trade? Problem with that is i think the most you can offer in an extension is 120% of his final year salary, so we'd be offering him $26.2M in his first year of the extension, and i'm pretty sure he wants a good bit more than that and wants to hit FA.
So we could sign him to a 4/$119 extension, and I think we can offer a 15% signing bonus as well, which is paid out equally over the guaranteed years. So that would get him to $30.6M in year one, which i think would be fair for Oladipo. Basically a 4/$137 deal. He already declined the extension offer starting at $25M/yr from the Pacers, so maybe he expects to get much more than that.

I tried reading through how extensions work and i think that's right, but i'm not sure how the bonus works in relation to the cap.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:16 pm to
Well, the consensus was the Oladipo wouldn't extend.

Anyway, Ball's value on the internet is so wild. He has an army of stans that think he is the next big thing still, and every team's fans want him, but they still all think he sucks and want to offer peanuts. Just an interesting phenomenon.

I've seen Bulls fans basically say nothing more than Satoransky and a 2nd.
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:20 pm to
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I've seen Bulls fans basically say nothing more than Satoransky and a 2nd.

One of my best friends is a Bulls fan, he wouldn't even want Zo for free lol
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:27 pm to
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I've seen Bulls fans basically say nothing more than Satoransky and a 2nd.


Done. No taksies backsies
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
30334 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:39 pm to
a max for him is $35M in year 1. I don't think he's worth a max.
That would make him a top 20 paid player, and he's simply not worth that imo. I'm sure he thinks differently.

And besides that, the only team that can create the space necessary to give him a max that he would be willing to go to is Miami, which is a real possibility.
He's not signing a max to go fart around with the Knicks or Bulls. So unless he gets the max from Miami, I can't see him wanting to go play for a crappy team, and that probably includes us.
Posted by England_Pelican
England
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:42 pm to
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Anyway, Ball's value on the internet is so wild. He has an army of stans that think he is the next big thing


You’re not wrong!
I find it very strange that there are people who are fans of players and not the team...but there you go.

Lonzo’s followers I find absolutely mental. There are plenty of them here too but social media... holy crap... they seem to think teams should revolve around him and everything he does wrong is the team’s fault, not his and have a massively over inflated sense of his own value.
Posted by ghost2most
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:43 pm to
I had to google what a "stan" is. When did that stupid arse word become a thing?
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:46 pm to
At least 15 years.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:50 pm to
20 years ago.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37049 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

When did that stupid arse word become a thing?

2000
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
130226 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 1:52 pm to
And we literally know it comes from 2000 because its origins are from an Eminem song called... Stan.

I mean...come on.
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