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Who would the Pels have picked at 10 if the Memphis Trade didn't happen?
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:08 am
Looking at that draft from 10 back, I don't see a single player that I like better than Trey so far in their career. 2021 Draft
Sengun has been nice, but I think he's too short to be as good as his skill set indicates. Closer to Billy than Sabonis or Jokic. I also think he could have been the pick at 10 and that would have been the opposite of what we need.
In another, better to be lucky than good moment, trading down from 10 to 17 probably forced them to take Murphy which worked out better than any other choice they could have made.
Sengun has been nice, but I think he's too short to be as good as his skill set indicates. Closer to Billy than Sabonis or Jokic. I also think he could have been the pick at 10 and that would have been the opposite of what we need.
In another, better to be lucky than good moment, trading down from 10 to 17 probably forced them to take Murphy which worked out better than any other choice they could have made.
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Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:13 am to TigerinATL
Not gonna lie, I was a HUGE fan of James Bouknight and Ziaire Williams
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:14 am to TigerinATL
I thought I remember reading they liked Trey enough that they would have picked him 10. How true that is I have no clue
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:18 am to TigerinATL
Disagree that’s he’s closer to Billy than Jokic/Boner.
Sengun is a very very good bball player.
Sengun is a very very good bball player.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:27 am to SouthMSReb
He's ahead of Sabonis as a passer at 20 and Houston doesn't even run their offense through him. Sengun is legit. We weren't going to take him though. We needed shooting.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:42 am to supe12sta12z
I wasn't trying to belittle Sengun with the Billy comp, I didn't realize he had grown 2 inches since his rookie year. With his skill set those 2 extra inches make a difference.
But the point of the thread is, was there a better pick for the Pels than Trey? I hope they would have taken him at 10 too, because he's exactly what this team needed.
But the point of the thread is, was there a better pick for the Pels than Trey? I hope they would have taken him at 10 too, because he's exactly what this team needed.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:16 pm to TigerinATL
At the time it was said Trey was their guy and they would have taken him at 10 if they stayed there.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:40 pm to TigerinATL
Pre draft, we (as a collective) seemed to want.
Moody
Giddey
Wagner
Mitchell
Murphy
Kispert
Then the draft came,
Moody, Wagner, Mitchell, and Giddey all went.
I think majority still wanted Kispert or murphy at that point. Vast majority did not want Williams because those other two were known shooters.
Moody
Giddey
Wagner
Mitchell
Murphy
Kispert
Then the draft came,
Moody, Wagner, Mitchell, and Giddey all went.
I think majority still wanted Kispert or murphy at that point. Vast majority did not want Williams because those other two were known shooters.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 3/26/23 at 10:50 pm to TigerinATL
Bruh, this dude just said Sengun is closer to BILLY than Sabonis or Jokic. Sengun is a tad undersized and his wingspan is only 6ft 11. But he is a maestro in the post and one of the most advanced passers in the entire league when he is given the keys to operate. We didn’t see that much in our matchup bc KPJ was back from injury and allowed to be ball dominant.
Compare Sengun’s first 2 years to Sabonis’s first 2 years and there is no comparison. Sengun is much better as a young player. Compare his age 20 season to Jokic and he also had a better season than Jokic.
I’ve said since 6 months before that draft that Sengun’s floor is Sabonis and is ceiling is 90% Jokic. The reason why it’s 90% Jokic is bc Jokic is 2 inches taller. With 4-5 more inches of wingspan.
Sengun isn’t perfect. But he’s 20 years old. Comparing him to Billy after watching 2 games of him is wild.
He’s literally a much more advanced version of young Sabonis on a shitty arse young team that has no idea what they are doing yet.
In terms of who we would’ve picked. I think it was between Sengun, Kispert. Duarte, Moody and Murphy.
Murphy is the right pick for this team with Zion. However, if you thought you were going to lose Zion to a trade demand or something, I think Sengun would’ve been a great pick to completely rebuild around due to his skillset and style that keeps him healthy and on the court.
Compare Sengun’s first 2 years to Sabonis’s first 2 years and there is no comparison. Sengun is much better as a young player. Compare his age 20 season to Jokic and he also had a better season than Jokic.
I’ve said since 6 months before that draft that Sengun’s floor is Sabonis and is ceiling is 90% Jokic. The reason why it’s 90% Jokic is bc Jokic is 2 inches taller. With 4-5 more inches of wingspan.
Sengun isn’t perfect. But he’s 20 years old. Comparing him to Billy after watching 2 games of him is wild.
He’s literally a much more advanced version of young Sabonis on a shitty arse young team that has no idea what they are doing yet.
In terms of who we would’ve picked. I think it was between Sengun, Kispert. Duarte, Moody and Murphy.
Murphy is the right pick for this team with Zion. However, if you thought you were going to lose Zion to a trade demand or something, I think Sengun would’ve been a great pick to completely rebuild around due to his skillset and style that keeps him healthy and on the court.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 11:51 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:
He's ahead of Sabonis as a passer at 20 and Houston doesn't even run their offense through him. Sengun is legit. We weren't going to take him though. We needed shootin
He can’t finish/shoot and his feet are in quicksand. Jonas is probably quicker than him. Young Jonas certainly.
I absolutely love watching him play though. Passing is off the charts.
This post was edited on 3/26/23 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:27 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Sengun shoots 68% from 0-3 feet and 50.5% from 3-10 feet on heavy volume. That 3-10 feet figure is especially elite. 72% from the line. 30% from 3 on zero volume. In the Euro tourney this summer, dude was actually shooting and canning 1 legged Dirk Fadeaways. So I think he has a lot more than what he shows/is allowed to do for the Rockets.
He def needs to clean up his ft’s and 3 pointers overall though. He is inconsistent on both. His ft routine drives me nuts (not the taking to the ball part) the part after that where he basically fidgets/fake jerky jerky shoots it 8 times before he randomly lets it fly.
Tbh, He didn’t play all that well against the Pels tbh. I think Jonas big arse was wearing him out. He’s Not a perfect player by any means, but very fun and only 20. I still think he will make several all star games before all is said and done.
He also has the extra benefit of working with Hakeem in the off-seasons.
Personally, I really like the kid, so I watch nearly every game of the Rockets on league pass. Tari Eason is fun too. He is Much improved from his time at LSU.
He def needs to clean up his ft’s and 3 pointers overall though. He is inconsistent on both. His ft routine drives me nuts (not the taking to the ball part) the part after that where he basically fidgets/fake jerky jerky shoots it 8 times before he randomly lets it fly.
Tbh, He didn’t play all that well against the Pels tbh. I think Jonas big arse was wearing him out. He’s Not a perfect player by any means, but very fun and only 20. I still think he will make several all star games before all is said and done.
He also has the extra benefit of working with Hakeem in the off-seasons.
Personally, I really like the kid, so I watch nearly every game of the Rockets on league pass. Tari Eason is fun too. He is Much improved from his time at LSU.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 7:17 am to 3PieceSpicy
quote:
That 3-10 feet figure is especially elite
League average is 45%
Jokic is at 64%
If 50.5% is elite, what word are we using for jokic
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:13 am to 3PieceSpicy
I really liked Sengun in the draft because of his footwork. Throwback player in that regard.
Almost no American born NBA players these days have good footwork.
Almost no American born NBA players these days have good footwork.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:35 am to Lester Earl
quote:If you're pretty far ahead if league average and also take that shot at a higher clip than than any other player in the league(which Sengun does), it's pretty fair to say he's elite at it.
League average is 45%
Jokic is at 64%
If 50.5% is elite, what word are we using for jokic
Zion ranks something like 80th in FG% at the rim, so would you say Zion is not elite at the rim?
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 8:40 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:30 am to Lester Earl
quote:Some use the term "elite" way too freely on this board sometimes.
League average is 45%
Jokic is at 64%
If 50.5% is elite, what word are we using for jokic
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:52 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Some use the term "elite" way too freely on this board sometimes.
Right. Like there is no middle ground. He’s definitely above average, but guys like jokic, Luka & Vucevic are truly elite
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:58 am to shel311
quote:
Zion ranks something like 80th in FG% at the rim, so would you say Zion is not elite at the rim?
He’s not.
Look at the numbers. League average is .701%
Zion shoots .721%
He’s 37th among players with over 200att.
D’Aaron fox for comparison shoots 81% at the rim. Joel Embiid shoots 80% at the rim.
Zion is much closer to league average than the truly elite guys.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:10 am to Lester Earl
Percentages alone don't mean very much. Volume needs to be considered as well, and that's what makes Zion elite.
You could look at 3-pt percentage and say that Steph is only 9th, so he's not elite, but then you look at the fact that he has over 200 more attempts than any of the eight guys above him in percentage.
You could look at 3-pt percentage and say that Steph is only 9th, so he's not elite, but then you look at the fact that he has over 200 more attempts than any of the eight guys above him in percentage.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:19 am to htran90
quote:
Pre draft, we (as a collective) seemed to want.
Moody
Giddey
Wagner
Mitchell
Murphy
Kispert
Then the draft came,
Moody, Wagner, Mitchell, and Giddey all went.
I think majority still wanted Kispert or murphy at that point. Vast majority did not want Williams because those other two were known shooters.
I think you're correct here outside of Mitchell. He got a decent amount of hate and I remember in the draft thread the board hated on the Kings for that pick. Granted it didn't seem to fill their biggest need but they very well could have known they were willing to dish Haliburton if Mitchell worked out. I doubt it, but he was obviously very high on their draft board to take him with the amount of guards they had.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:23 am to Lester Earl
quote:
He’s not.
Seems you don't understand or just randomly want to ignore frequency of shots taken at the rim.
If you want to believe Bismack Biyombo is elite at the rim because he has the 4th highest FG% at the rim and Zion is not, by all means, have at it.
Zion is 6th in the league in TS% if you except out the non volume shooters, 15th total. How can he be ranked that high if the shot he takes more than anything else, he's just a bit above average at?
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 10:29 am
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