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re: Who would the Pels have picked at 10 if the Memphis Trade didn't happen?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:26 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:26 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Correct.
You could look at 3-pt percentage and say that Steph is only 9th, so he's not elite, but then you look at the fact that he has over 200 more attempts than any of the eight guys above him in percentage.
All else aside, if you look at # of attempts and % and ask who you'd prefer between Damion Lee and Steph Curry(and you can even do it without names), I'm fairly certainly any and everyone would take Steph's % and volume over Lee.
10+ 3s a game at 42% will always be better than 3 attempts per game at 44%...always.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:37 am to shel311
quote:
Seems you don't understand or just randomly want to ignore frequency of shots taken at the rim.
What do you want to use as a cut off for shot attempts?
Dude Zion was great this year when we saw him & his volume isn’t even high due to injury and he still doesn’t touch the top guys.
Giannis has 2x as many attempts as Zion this year & shoots 79% at the rim
quote:
If you want to believe Bismack Biyombo is elite at the rim because he has the 4th highest FG%
Biyombo doesn’t even make the list I generated as I only used players with over 200 shots at the rim (Zion has 290)
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:42 am to shel311
quote:
Zion is 6th in the league in TS% if you except out the non volume shooters, 15th total. How can he be ranked that high if the shot he takes more than anything else, he's just a bit above
Shel, conceptually, do you understand what TS%?
You realize Zion takes 92% of his shots near the basket, right?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:50 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Percentages alone don't mean very much. Volume needs to be considered as well, and that's what makes Zion elite.
Zion is 24th in shots at rim this year. His volume isn’t extraordinary.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:50 am to Lester Earl
quote:Your argument that only the person who is the best at something can be elite at that thing is odd. That is twice you're doing it now.
Giannis has 2x as many attempts as Zion this year & shoots 79% at the rim
But again, explain how, among volume shooters, Zion has an elite level top 6 TS% if he's just average at the rim, the shot he takes more than any other. Please explain...
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
quote:That's literally my argument.
Shel, conceptually, do you understand what TS%?
You realize Zion takes 92% of his shots near the basket, right?
You don't understand the difference between taking 92% of his shots at the basket that makes him elite vs Bismack Biyombo who YOU think is more elite at taking shots at the rim than Zion.
Zion is not elite at the rim but has elite efficiency because he takes all his shots at the rim, you realize that's your argument right?
Pretty funny that you whiffed on my entire premise than made my argument for me.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 10:54 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
quote:Total or per game?
Zion is 24th in shots at rim this year. His volume isn’t extraordinary.
Can you post the numbers?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:56 am to shel311
quote:
Pretty funny that you whiffed on my entire premise than made my argument for me.
Well, no. Because I know what TS% and you don’t.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:00 am to shel311
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:04 am to Lester Earl
quote:So you DID make this post using total shots and not per game?
Zion is 24th in shots at rim this year. His volume isn’t extraordinary.
Now do per game, then tell me if his volume isn't extraordinary...here's a hint...it's higher than all 30 dudes in your screenshot. But it's not extraordinary!!!
So again, explain how, among volume shooters, Zion has an elite level top 6 TS% if he's just average at the rim, a shot you claim he doesn't take that much more than others. Please explain...
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 11:05 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:05 am to shel311
quote:
If you want to believe Bismack Biyombo is elite at the rim because he has the 4th highest FG% at the rim and Zion is not, by all means, have at it.
Do you see Biyombo anywhere on this list?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:08 am to shel311
quote:
Now do per game, then tell me if his volume isn't extraordinary...here's a hint...it's higher than all 30 dudes in your screenshot. But it's not extraordinary!!!
Explain why you think his shots per game affect this list at all
quote:
So again, explain how, among volume shooters, Zion has an elite level top 6 TS% if he's just average at the rim, a shot you claim he doesn't take that much more than others. Please explain.
YOU. DONT. KNOW. WHAT. TS%. IS
You nimrod
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:12 am to Lester Earl
quote:You said his rim volume isn't extraordinatory then linked a pic that showed he has the highest rim volume per game.
Explain why you think his shots per game affect this list at all
Do you not realize that? if not, why not?
quote:Coming from the guy who thinks Zion's #1 in the entire NBA rim volume isn't that high, you may want to ease up on the name calling. You're making yourself look really foolish right now.
You nimrod
Again, this is your argument right now: Zion is not elite at the rim but has elite efficiency because he takes all his shots at the rim but his rim volume isn't extraordinary, you realize that's your argument right?
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 11:13 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:13 am to Lester Earl
quote:
You realize Zion takes 92% of his shots near the basket, right?
quote:
Zion is 24th in shots at rim this year. His volume isn’t extraordinary.
Lester, take a lap, just call it a day champ. Come back refreshed tomorrow.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:14 am to Lester Earl
Explain why you think his shots per game affect this list at all
Because it's a far better metric to use than total shots on the season, regardless of you using a minimum attempt like 200
Because it's a far better metric to use than total shots on the season, regardless of you using a minimum attempt like 200
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:15 am to whatiknowsofar
quote:
Because it's a far better metric to use than total shots on the season, regardless of you using a minimum attempt like 200
Explain why
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:16 am to Lester Earl
quote:Zion's 3pt numbers aren't impressive, Zion's FT efficiency isn't impressive...but Zion's TS% is elite
Well, no. Because I know what TS% and you don’t.
Zion takes 92% of his shots at the rim, but his rim volume isn't extraordinary
But Zion's not elite at the rim.
So can you explain directly what is Zion elite at since he has an elite TS% for volume shooters since he doesn't shoot at the rim with extraordinary volume and isn't elite at the rim...what is he good at to make him THAT efficient of a scorer?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:17 am to Lester Earl
quote:Explain why shots at the rim per game would be a better metric to determine who has higher rim volume?
Explain why
This is a classic case of someone realizing they're wrong but instead of just taking the L, they continue to make completely absurd posts to try and dig their way out of it, only to dig further into it.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:19 am to shel311
quote:
You said his rim volume isn't extraordinatory then linked a pic that showed he has the highest rim volume per game.
Do you not realize that? if not, why not?
His per game is not relevant in this exercise at all. Because he was injured his totals put him in line with the table.
quote:
Zion is not elite at the rim but has elite efficiency because he takes all his shots at the rim but his rim volume isn't extraordinary, you realize that's your argument right?
You don’t know what TS% is. We can do this all day. If you understood it, you wouldn’t keep posting this dumb shite.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 11:21 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:23 am to Lester Earl
quote:What exercise do you think this we're running here?
His per game is not relevant in this exercise at all.
This is hilarious.
quote:You keep saying that, but you can't refute anything I said, pretty sure it's you who has no idea what it is. You can talk in circles all day but the next solid point you make in a reply to me in this discussion will be your first, I'd hope you realize that by now, but alas, you don't.
You don’t know what TS% is. We can do this all day. If you understood it, you wouldn’t keep posting this dumb shite.
But again, you said Zion takes 92% of his shots at the rim but his rim volume isn't extraordinary, so you clearly don't know what you're talking about and you're about 4 steps behind in this discussion, so it's not surprising.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 11:25 am
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