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re: Who would the Pels have picked at 10 if the Memphis Trade didn't happen?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:24 am to shel311
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:24 am to shel311
quote:
Zion's 3pt numbers aren't impressive, Zion's FT efficiency isn't impressive...but Zion's TS% is elite
Ok, you are getting close, but using the wrong words.
“Aren’t impressive” = how about non existent? 4% of his FG attempts are 3pters.
And his FT volume + makes is rewarding in this metric.
He takes a lot of safe shots; and is really good at it. He gets to the line a bunch & hits slight below league average = win. His efficiency rankings will always be strong
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:26 am to shel311
quote:
you said Zion takes 92% of his shots at the rim
No, I said 92% of his shots near the rim.
0-3ft = at rim
3-10 ft= in the lane
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:28 am to Lester Earl
quote:So why is he an elite volume scorer if the thing he does more than anyone else(though you argue he doesn't, and you're wrong but that's beside the point), he's just average at?
Ok, you are getting close, but using the wrong words.
“Aren’t impressive” = how about non existent? 4% of his FG attempts are 3pters.
And his FT volume + makes is rewarding in this metric.
He takes a lot of safe shots; and is really good at it. He gets to the line a bunch & hits slight below league average = win. His efficiency rankings will always be strong
Why can't you answer that question?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:28 am to shel311
quote:
What exercise do you think this we're running here?
You think a 29G sample size is affecting his volume compared to the rest of the people on this list. You tell me.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
quote:You think changing the sample size is going to change the fact that Zion is elite at the rim due to volume?
You think a 29G sample size is affecting his volume compared to the rest of the people on this list. You tell me.
You think if he played 60 games, he'd magically not still have really high volume of shots taken at the rim?
Man, just stop.
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 11:30 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:31 am to shel311
quote:
he's just average at?
Your words, not mine
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:33 am to Lester Earl
You're still missing the point and just ignoring it.
Tell me more about how Zion doesn't have extraordinary rim volume while you posted a graphic that shows Zion takes the most shots at the rim per game.
Tell me more about how Zion doesn't have extraordinary rim volume while you posted a graphic that shows Zion takes the most shots at the rim per game.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:34 am to shel311
quote:
You think if he played 60 games, he'd magically not still have really high volume of shots taken at the rim?
Huh
But it’s not. It’s 29G worth
I’m not sure what you are applying that too.
Isn’t your argument that his efficiency is tainted because of the volume?
Help me understand
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:35 am to Lester Earl
It's cool, you think that guy who averages the most shots in the rim per game doesn't have "extraordinary" rim volume.
It's fine. You can keep on thinking that. No biggie.
It's fine. You can keep on thinking that. No biggie.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:37 am to shel311
Ok, I’m not going crazy.
That was your point.
Glad that is out of the way.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:38 am to Lester Earl
Thanks for proving my point again, that you confirmed you do indeed want to ignore frequency of shots at the rim.
Not sure why you thought that proved your point when that was my entire premise from my very 1st post. But appreciate you proving my point just a bit more for me.
Not sure why you thought that proved your point when that was my entire premise from my very 1st post. But appreciate you proving my point just a bit more for me.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:40 am to shel311
quote:
you think that guy who averages the most shots in the rim per game doesn't have "extraordinary" rim volume.
Again, Not relevant at all in this application.
I know Zion takes a lot of shots near the rim. I literally did the math for you.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:44 am to shel311
quote:
Thanks for proving my point again, that you confirmed you do indeed want to ignore frequency of shots at the rim.
Again, I literally showed you the math on it. I even toggled the table chart to fit him in on the graphic. He is 24th amongst his league mates on shots at the rim.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:26 pm to TigerinATL
I think they probably still would have picked Trey.
Going back I can't find my final big board for that year, but the one I could find I had Moody at 7 and Sengun at 9. I came onto Duarte as well.
Going back I can't find my final big board for that year, but the one I could find I had Moody at 7 and Sengun at 9. I came onto Duarte as well.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 2:55 pm to Lester Earl
Jokic is obviously on another level. That being said, in 3 of his 8 seasons, Sengun’s % was better than his from that distance.
I still contend 51% on high volume as a 20 year old is elite. It took Sabonis basically 6-7 years to match that on his end.
Another point. As bad as Sengun is on defense at this point, he blocks more shots than Jokic and Sabonis. I know that’s not the end all, be all defensive stat, but it suggests his defensive upside could exist as he progresses and learns the subtleties of defending the pick and roll.
I still contend 51% on high volume as a 20 year old is elite. It took Sabonis basically 6-7 years to match that on his end.
Another point. As bad as Sengun is on defense at this point, he blocks more shots than Jokic and Sabonis. I know that’s not the end all, be all defensive stat, but it suggests his defensive upside could exist as he progresses and learns the subtleties of defending the pick and roll.
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