re: We could still literally add picks 1 and 2

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I'll get blasted for this. But I think that Jones is a potential 6th man monster

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So our best wing defender and arguably the best perimeter defender in the NBA, you want him to be on the court with the opponents best wing scorer as little as possible?

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Yeah, first team all NBA defenders come off the bench all the time…

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I doubt Jones makes 1st or 2nd team this year and specialists come off the bench all the time. Tony Allen, Patrick Beverly, Thybulle, Roberson, Marcus Smart, Avery Bradley.. all occasional starters that have made the All NBA team fairly recently. Given our injury record, he'd still probably start over half the games filling in.

I'm just looking to improve the team. Who else are you sitting? Or do you believe that the team is maxed out and ready to contend as is?

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This team needs a player like KCP as a sixth man

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yes but as was pointed out when I suggested it, he’s a klutch client. We don’t participate in klutch anymore

How does any of this apply to the OP? How would we get KCP from Washington (14M)? I'm pretty sure we wouldn't trade one of the 1st 2 picks in the draft for him.

If yall are saying to use the 2 picks (Ivey and Holmgren or Smith), then trade for KCP. What are we trading, Graham and what else? Ivey backing up McCollum? Is Smith or Holmgren taking Hayes minutes?

Would those 3 players have more of an impact than getting Mitchell?

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I’m not sure if I’m the only one, but I would take Jonas a million times before Gobert

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If not, then you should be. Gobert is still an elite defender and would do a lot more for us than Jonas.

That probably is aiming a little too high, but you can get an expiring and a 2nd if he plays well in the JJ role off the bench with Zion. He has the skill set to play that role if he hasn't forgotten how to shoot.

I'm not looking for actual assets for Graham, I just want him gone by next deadline so he's not taking minutes from young guys and I also don't want to pay to dump him.

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The starting lineup is set. If you want to replace anyone you have to upgrade them. To upgrade even "lesser" players like Herb, you still pretty much need a Star level player that does the same things.

You don't replace Herb with Mitchell, you replace him with Kawhi. JV would be replaced with KAT. But then you get into cap and tax issues. It's just really hard to find upgrades for this team via trade or FA.

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Great analysis...once you reach a point, you gotta go "apples for apples & oranges for oranges" when trying to improve the overall team. In Herb's case, an apple for a better apple...might be replacing him with Mikal Bridges but I doubt Suns are gonna let that monster get away any time soon.

And since I'm a Herbaholic, I must mention that MB is in his 4th year & was picked #10 overall & I'm not sure where Herb will be 4 years from now, but he'll be MUCH better than he is today. Bottom line, Herb is gonna be a VERY good "apple".

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He did the same thing with the PG position—-was adamant that CJ wouldn’t play the 1 since he’s never played the one so therefore DG must remain a starter

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He just agreed with everything I said earlier (look up). If we get two picks in the top 4, we would trade one or both for a bigger name player most likely a guard. I said Mitchell, he said SGA, it's the same result. Someone is going to the bench until there is an injury (which would probably be pretty quick). It's an obvious move..

You really aren't getting this. Positions like "SG" and "SF" don't matter and aren't important, in the slightest.

This isn't 2K, this is real life. Roles matter and Herb's role is to guard the opposing teams best perimeter player. Herb is gonna spend his time on the court, when the opposing teams best player is on the court. So you're 6th man idea makes zero sense.