re: The Pelicans Open to Trading Vast Majority of Roster

Lauri hasn't and isn't leading the Jazz to anything. Lauri is a nice player but he isn't going to change anything without a motivated Williamson.

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Now, tell me that Spyda wanted to come to NOLA in that scenario? Almost everyone wanted the Lauri for Ball deal, but Griff simply got greedy and blew it.

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It’s a trade, he had years left on his contract. He didn’t have a choice. You think anyone wants to go to Cleveland lol?

And nobody on here wanted Lauri. That’s revisionist history there. I bumped the thread the other day, it had two upvotes and numerous people saying they preferred us get Satorasky in the trade instead of Lauri.

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Lauri hasn't and isn't leading the Jazz to anything. Lauri is a nice player but he isn't going to change anything without a motivated Williamson.

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I wanted Lauri at the time to provide shooting that we needed, and I never trusted Zions health. He could have started when Zion was hurt and moved to the 5 in closing lineups to play with Zion. Woukd have gave him more space.

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The lack of awareness is scary if you actually think otherwise.

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What are you talking about? You came into this thread to talk about me being obsessed with CJ when it didn't remotely fit with anything being discussed.


You have a fundamental lack of an ability to follow a conversation, it's wild.

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So I've "pretended" to get in ridiculous arguments with you because CJ's name is mentioned with negative comments??

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Yes, you have lied over and over and over and over about things you've said I've said or done with regards to CJ. That's a fact, you can argue against facts, but that would be a pretty dumb thing to do, but I'm sure you will do it. Or maybe not, because every single time you've lied and I've called you out on it, you did not respond to that, so that tells me you knew you were lying and couldn't prove otherwise, so you let it go. If you knew I was lying and could easily prove it, you'd happily post proving I'mw wrong, but you can't because I'm not wrong.

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Well we wouldn't have to hear about how much you want to suck his dick that's for sure.

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These are things you say when you can't refute what I said.

You look foolish right now, fix that.

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It’s a trade, he had years left on his contract. He didn’t have a choice. You think anyone wants to go to Cleveland lol?

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So, you would trade for a malcontent who did not want to be here? I agree he had no choice, but did you want Gordon 2.0?

Route MPJ to a third team like Brooklyn, Houston or Utah for picks and call it in.

Houston would probably be very interested in MPJ.

Two I would particularly like:
Jazz: MPJ, Concar
Nuggets: Ingram
Pels: Collins, Kessler, 1-2 of those Minnesota/Cleveland picks

Rockets: Ingram
Nuggets: MPJ, Reeves or Javonte
Pels: Adams, JSJ, Tate or Landale, Concar

In the second one we buyout everyone except JSJ

So I was thinking about potential trades, if we are going to gut the roster. I'd want to add great youth, picks and give us the most flexibility moving forward (tradable contracts). Just looking at rumors and potential trades, I likes these..

1. We move Murray, Green and Jones to the Spurs for K. Johson, T. Jones and S. Castle.

It's a steep price, but Castle is a potential star and the odds on favorite to win ROTY. Pairing him with Missi is a great foundation. We save about 7M.

The trade gives the Spurs two impact starters and the ability to lock up a playin spot. Plus they get off an overpay for Johnson, who needs a new setting/situation. Jones is an expiring.

2. We move Ingram for MPJ.

It's good value and the Nuggets are desperate. If MPJ doesn't work out, we got two years to flip him. He's a great talent though, with good size. He'd be an interesting pairing with Murphy.

3. We move Zion, Theis and JRE to the Hornets for G. Williams, J. Green, Salaun, plus a future 1st and 1st swap.

Deal saves us 8M, so we are way under the Tax. Williams and Green are nice bench players. Salaun has good upside, but really young and raw.

This is just a salvage move for the most assets possible. Hornets are desperate for a 2nd piece next to Ball. Plus Zion is a local guy. Best place for him to attempt to reclaim his career.

4. We move McCollum and Reeves for C. LeVert, M. Strus, and J. Tyson.

Cavs get the vet bench scorer they have been seeking. We put McCollum in a great spot to get a ring. LeVert is a big expiring. Strus is a decent specialist and a good deal to move later. I like Tyson's upside (he looked great against us).

After it's all completed, we have basically a new team. I think the depth chart would look something like..

Castle/ T. Jones/Alvarado of Boston
Hawkins/ Jsh. Green/ LeVert
Murphy/G. Williams/ Strus
MPJ/ K. Johnson/ J. Tyson/ Salaun
Missi

We need a better backup Center, but it's a super deep team with a lot of fluidity. We have a bunch of deals and assets we can move.

TLDR: I got bored and wanted to rebuild the team. Flame away..

Nah. I'm not down with going scorched earth rebuild. We have too much talent to do that.

And Castle is not the odds on favorite

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2. We move Ingram for MPJ.

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I had been saying this for about a year now, but the more I watch MPJ, the more I don't want him. His basketball IQ is low.

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All three of those would be horrible trades for us. We give up WAY to much for that shite return

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I love the end result. If we go into a future with that core, I think there is a ton of promise.

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In the Spurs deal we are giving up the equivalent value of 5-6 first round picks for two contracts, ins of which is a negative, and a rookie. Unless Wemby is involved in that you’re giving way to much.

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Not all 1sts are the same. So maybe we could get 1sts in 2030 and 2031. But none of those have great value. I believe this, as it stands now, Castle is worth more than Murray or Jones. He's younger, cheaper, and has dramatically more potential. It would be super rare for a team to trade someone like him. So it would need to be big deal to get them to make a move. We might actually have yo include more.

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Ingram has more value than MPJ.

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I believe they are both somewhat negative at this point. MPJ is actually more proven and is more transferable to other systems. I think it depends on the team.

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Zion would fetch way more than a first round pick, those players are only salary.

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I am fascinated by this point of view. Why do you believe this?

I read pretty much everything written about Zion. From what I have seen, he is basically radioactive to 50-75% of the league. They aren't touching him. Especially on a big deal. We have 5-6 teams we could swing a deal and they aren't giving up major assets for him. If we get a young player (like Salaun) and a pick or two, plus salary filler, we'd make out pretty good.

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Cavs wouldn’t want CJ, to redundant with their roster

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He is not at all. They want a veteran shooter off the bench. He takes minutes from those two vets. They have a monter front court that can cover for him. They are also one of the major teams connected to him, plus he's from Ohio. It just makes sense on a lot of levels..