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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:55 pm to TeddyPadillac
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That's somethign coming from the guy who thinks Jarrett Allen has more value than BI and we'd have to give Cleveland BI and more just to get Jarrett Allen.
I said this "At his price tag? I think Murray and Allen have more value"
I stand by that. At $50 million a year, Ingram is a negative asset. At current salary, I'd say he's slightly better to equal to Allen. Paying BI max money is a death sentence.
Yes, I really think very lowly of Ingram.
He's the classic losing player. At best he's Carmleo Anthony, who was also a loser. At worst, he's Jerami Grant, Kyle Kuzma level guy.
People say Val is a dinosaur and not made for today's game but then praise Ingram. They're the same. Neither are suited for playoff basketball on a good team.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 3:01 pm
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 4:40 pm to ghost2most
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I said this "At his price tag? I think Murray and Allen have more value"
I stand by that. At $50 million a year, Ingram is a negative asset. At current salary, I'd say he's slightly better to equal to Allen. Paying BI max money is a death sentence.
Look no further than Zach Lavine. Good player but flawed and hurt a lot. Same as Ingram. Bulls gave him the max anyway and now he's a negative asset and they cant give him away.
That's your future if you give BI the max. We can barely fricking make the playoffs with the fricker making 36M. You know how hard it would be to build a good team with that loser making 50+M?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:30 pm to Balsamic_duck
quote:BI is nothing like Lavine. Lavine has a degenerative knee condition. BI's injuries have not been chronic.
Look no further than Zach Lavine. Good player but flawed and hurt a lot. Same as Ingram. Bulls gave him the max anyway and now he's a negative asset and they cant give him away.
That's your future if you give BI the max. We can barely fricking make the playoffs with the fricker making 36M. You know how hard it would be to build a good team with that loser making 50+M?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:44 pm to NOSHAU
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BI is nothing like Lavine. Lavine has a degenerative knee condition. BI's injuries have not been chronic.
Part of BI's problems are the "chronic."
Posted on 6/4/24 at 5:46 pm to NOSHAU
I don’t believe this to be true . I’ve seen this stated a few times here but there is nothing I’ve seen saying that he has a degenerative knee .
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:06 pm to AboveTheRim
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I don’t believe this to be true . I’ve seen this stated a few times here but there is nothing I’ve seen saying that he has a degenerative knee .
I agree but BI does have injury issues. He has not played in 65 games since his rookie year. He played in 64 this year. Hes been in the league 8 years.
In fact Zion played in more games this year (70) than BI has played in each season the last 7 years.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:12 pm to AboveTheRim
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I don’t believe this to be true . I’ve seen this stated a few times here but there is nothing I’ve seen saying that he has a degenerative knee .
Tore his left ACL in 2017
Had arthroscopic left knee surgery in 2022
So 2 surgeries on the same knee, not looking great, but obviously not 100% career over or anything.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:15 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I agree but BI does have injury issues. He has not played in 65 games since his rookie year. He played in 64 this year. Hes been in the league 8 years.
I’m not a big BI fan but he played 62 and 61 games in the 19-20 and 20-21 seasons that only had 72 games in them, which is equivalent of playing roughly 70 games in each of those seasons had they been standard 82 game seasons.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:19 pm to Epic Cajun
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I’m not a big BI fan but he played 62 and 61 games in the 19-20 and 20-21 seasons that only had 72 games in them, which is equivalent of playing roughly 70 games in each of those seasons had they been standard 82 game seasons.
Good point. I’ll give you that. So hes played below 65 games in the other 5 seasons excluding his rookie year. Its not as bad and definitely not Lavine but he’s not great picture of great health either.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:35 pm to ghost2most
Saw this on another Pels site.
B, Z, and CJ had a net rating of +3 when on the court together.
B and Z had a rating of +13.4.
B and CJ net rating was +13.2.
Z and CJ net rating was +5.4.
Given these stats, what player, if any, does not fit? Who is the best fit?
B, Z, and CJ had a net rating of +3 when on the court together.
B and Z had a rating of +13.4.
B and CJ net rating was +13.2.
Z and CJ net rating was +5.4.
Given these stats, what player, if any, does not fit? Who is the best fit?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 8:53 pm to ErikGordan
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B and CJ net rating was +13.2.
This all disappeared in the playoffs and why regular season net ratings in the regular season can sometimes be deceiving.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:18 pm to Pels_Yaz
Spurs and Atlanta apparently discussing a deal for Atlanta to send 1st pick to Spurs for 4 and 8
Not sure if it has any bearing on the rumored Pels/Hawks deals or not
Not sure if it has any bearing on the rumored Pels/Hawks deals or not
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:28 pm to Soggymoss
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Spurs and Atlanta apparently discussing a deal for Atlanta to send 1st pick to Spurs for 4 and 8
They going all in on the French Front Court?
This could also be a way for ATL to shed some salary. They could send a bad contract like Hunter or Boggy back. Or crazy idea….maybe the Spurs look to bring Murray back….
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 9:35 pm to ghost2most
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Yes, I really think very lowly of Ingram.
He's the classic losing player. At best he's Carmleo Anthony, who was also a loser
Lot of just flat out "losers" in the NBA who many folks actually think are solid players. Melo was what I call a "stone cold loser"...the absolute worst kind. I decided BI was a loser...the 3rd time I saw him play, back a few years ago. He has done nothing since...to change my opinion. I hope I have seen him play his last game with the Pelicans. Let's move on...
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:08 pm to Dinky Mulberry
Agree about Melo. One of the most overrated players of all time.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:11 pm to ghost2most
Zach Lavine's game is predicated on his athleticism. BI's game is predicated on skill and length.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:22 am to NOSHAU
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BI is nothing like Lavine. Lavine has a degenerative knee condition. BI's injuries have not been chronic.
BI chronically misses 20-30 games per season. At least Lavine has a real issue, BI is just a pussy.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 10:53 am to Soggymoss
quote:Have read a lot about Atlanta being enamored with Clingan. They may feel they can get him at 4 and get an extra pick at 8.
Spurs and Atlanta apparently discussing a deal for Atlanta to send 1st pick to Spurs for 4 and 8
Not sure if it has any bearing on the rumored Pels/Hawks deals or not
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:03 am to NOSHAU
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Have read a lot about Atlanta being enamored with Clingan. They may feel they can get him at 4 and get an extra pick at 8.
If a team with the #1 pick moves down to #4 in a draft where the top pick is a 5, and they are moving down to take a different 5, that really further proves this is a really poor draft class.
Don't get me wrong, there's an all-star or two in the lottery without a doubt, but finding them will be luck. Not a bad idea to take two chances at 4 and 8 then just one chance, even when it's the #1 pick
Sarr doesn't impress me either.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 11:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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If a team with the #1 pick moves down to #4 in a draft where the top pick is a 5, and they are moving down to take a different 5, that really further proves this is a really poor draft class.
They can also use this opportunity to move off of a contract like Hunter or Boggy while taking back an expiring like Graham.
I guess we really won’t know what kind of reset the Hawks are leaning towards until they make a decision on Trae, but I would have to guess they would lean towards moving Murray/Capella/Okongwu. I don’t see their coach staying for a complete rebuild if they move on from Trae.
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