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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:09 pm to Soggymoss
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:09 pm to Soggymoss
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Superstar? No
So do you not think overall it makes the draft a bit weak and having the number one pick doesn’t hold as much value?
Usually when you get the first pick you want a franchise changing guy not a great number two or gobert.
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:14 pm to Soggymoss
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Superstar? No
There will be multiple stars coming out of this draft that will be great 2’s on a championship team though, and I personally believe that Reed will be one of them.
I think Edey will be the next Gobert level center also. Two reasons why my preferred Ingram package over all others would be a deal with Houston to get that 3rd pick and JSJ, take Reed at 3 and Edey at 21. JSJ is primary backup to Zion and our small ball 5.
Very close 2nd favorite would be for Trae.
They cannot have a draft pick in a weak draft be the primary compensation for Ingram, even if it were the #1 pick. That's just a hard sell to the players and the fans that you will be better this season after trading someone they all respect and value a lot in BI for an unknown. You have to at least get a Murray/Garland level player back, and I don't see how you get that and keep a top 5 pick.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:19 pm to Soggymoss
quote:How can you be certain that this isn't the shite tier 2006 draft?
There will be multiple stars coming out of this draft that will be great 2’s on a championship team though, and I personally believe that Reed will be one of them.
Aldridge
Roy (for only 4 years)
Lowry
Rondo
Milsap
Redick
Tucker
Out of 60 players these 7 are pretty much the only players above replacement level.
Yikes
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:23 pm to TigerinATL
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You have to at least get a Murray/Garland level player back, and I don't see how you get that and keep a top 5 pick.
We can do it easily with all the picks we have. At the deadline Atlanta wanted two firsts and salary for Murray, we could send Jeff Green and Nance to Atlanta for Murray and keep Landale as a backup 5. Same thing for Allen and bring in Allen to mentor Edey. We definitely have enough assets to make multiple moves for now and the future.
Trading BI for JSJ and Reed wouldn’t be my only move of the offseason, I would still make others, but it would definitely be my first move to ensure I get Reed.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:25 pm to Epic Cajun
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How can you be certain that this isn't the shite tier 2006 draft?
You can't really argue the "possibility" of having another draft at that level.
BUT you do have to understand that Euro ball was not at the level it is now and G league I'm not even sure existed.
Take that coupled with the increase of talent year by year and yeah I just don't see it.
Not to mention going back nearly 20 years to find this also suggests a steady increase of productivity.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:28 pm to Epic Cajun
And that’s still multiple star level players right?
Look, plain and simple the draft is a crapshoot, always has been always will be. Unless there’s a can’t miss generational talent available, the #1 pick is never guaranteed, you just have to trust your draft board and your scouts.
Look, plain and simple the draft is a crapshoot, always has been always will be. Unless there’s a can’t miss generational talent available, the #1 pick is never guaranteed, you just have to trust your draft board and your scouts.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:44 pm to Soggymoss
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Windhorst was reporting it at the time… Minnesota still wanted Edwards, but they were trying to trade down and still get him if they couldn’t get a vet they coveted.
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That's a lot different. That says they were trying to trade from 1 down to #2 while on the clock. Everyone knew GS was not picking another 2 guard and were going big. If true, they were simply looking to get something and still get their player. That does not indicate that there was no clear top player and Minnesota was trying to bail because of that.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:49 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Reed is a decent player but certainly not someone that this team has to make sure it gets. It is tough to get one deal done and you throw out multiple deals as if that would be so easy to accomplish There would be a ton of risk in making a trade to ensure you get Reed with the hope that you can put together 2-3 more to accomplish the ultimate goal. That is a lot of moving pieces. While I expect Griff to make a move or moves, I do not see a complete overhaul of the roster.
but it would definitely be my first move to ensure I get Reed.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:53 pm to Soggymoss
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And that’s still multiple star level players right?
That draft produced 1 player that was good enough to be a number 2 on a championship team, I could see an argument for 2 with Aldridge but that's speculation. Brandon Roy was the real star of that draft, but his career was cut short by injuries.
I don't see this team trying to build through the draft at this point.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 4:05 pm to Epic Cajun
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I don't see this team trying to build through the draft at this point.
I never said we would, but it’s already been rumored we are trying to find a way to get into the top of this draft, so Griff obviously covets someone, or needs the pick to add to a BI trade.
I also don’t expect the BI trade to be a two team trade and think there will be multiple pieces coming in and leaving the team.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 4:29 pm to Soggymoss
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I never said we would, but it’s already been rumored we are trying to find a way to get into the top of this draft, so Griff obviously covets someone, or needs the pick to add to a BI trade.
Just like last year? I feel like the rumors are coming from Atlanta and not us.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 5:40 pm to Soggymoss
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Two reasons why my preferred Ingram package over all others would be a deal with Houston to get that 3rd pick and JSJ, take Reed at 3 and Edey at 21. JSJ is primary backup to Zion and our small ball 5.
What indication do you have that Houston has any interest in trading Smith and #3 for Ingram? They have been very clear about their interest in Bridges, but I haven't seen anything to indicate they are targeting Ingram. And if they did want him, they have like 7 wings they would rather consolidate then sending one of their only bigs.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 6:14 pm to mhasen1
Houston is one of the teams listed that’s pursuing Ingram, they would have to include Green or JSJ in the deal IMO, and I don’t see them wanting to trade Green after the second half of the season he had.
Outside of those two and the 3rd pick they don’t have anything else of interest
Outside of those two and the 3rd pick they don’t have anything else of interest
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:41 pm to Soggymoss
Hawks: BI + Steven Adams
Rockets: Capella
Cavs: Landale + Nance + (2) 1st
Pels: Murray + Allen
Getting closer
Rockets: Capella
Cavs: Landale + Nance + (2) 1st
Pels: Murray + Allen
Getting closer
Posted on 6/5/24 at 9:48 pm to Soggymoss
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Outside of those two and the 3rd pick they don’t have anything else of interest
Cam Whitmore
Teri Eason
Amen Thompson
Jock Landale
Pels: Green + Whitmore + Eason + Landale
Hou: BI
I'd be happy with that
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:02 am to Dantheman504
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Pels: Green + Whitmore + Eason + Landale
Doesn’t even make it twitch
Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:37 am to mhasen1
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they have like 7 wings they would rather consolidate then sending one of their only bigs.
Is JSJ really considered a big? Seems more like a tall wing (like Trey)
Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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Is JSJ really considered a big? Seems more like a tall wing (like Trey)
He was starting at the 5 after sengun got injured. Im a big JSJ fan, I think he's gonna be really good.
If we got JSJ in a BI trade I would be a happy man
Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:55 am to Balsamic_duck
I still remember Auburn fans swearing he was basically Durant during the draft process that year 
Posted on 6/6/24 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
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Is JSJ really considered a big? Seems more like a tall wing (like Trey)
I just don't think he has the size or rebounding to play the 5 for extended periods of time.
ETA: while JSJ was listed as the center for the last 17 games of the season, he was only averaging 6.5 rebounds per game. Amen Thompson was playing the 4 and was averaging 9.2 rebounds per game. I can't say that I watched many Rockets games down the stretch, so I don't know if Amen or JSJ was defending opposing 5's.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 9:02 am
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