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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:49 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:49 am to Soggymoss
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BI has more value than Herb, and Nance has more value than Capella, I don’t understand why we giving up a pick here
i didn't even realize that, i just assumed it was us getting the pick, and hell i'm saying i want another one.
No way i'm giving up BI/Herb/Larry and a 1st for Murray/Capela/Hunter
BI is better than Murray
Herb is better than Hunter. ATL wants Herb. We don't care about Hunter. He's overpaid and always hurt. There's a reason they want Herb instead of Hunter, and they need to be the ones to pay for that.
and i'd prefer Larry and his contract to Capela.
I sure as shite aint' giving up a pick when i'm the one giving up all of the better players.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:51 am
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:51 am to NOSHAU
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He said the latest discussion is Murray and Capela for BI, Nance and a top 8 2027 1st rounder. That sounds more reasonable. He said talks have really heated up over the last week and the Pels are hot for Murray. He said he would expect Murray will eventually be a Pelican. Not sure if this guy is really that connected or another MM.
Yea that first trade definitely isn’t happening without the first overall included. I wouldn’t do it anyway, and they probably don’t want to trade it.
The other trade is a lot more reasonable and pretty fair for both sides. I’d rather put lottery protections on it and then call it a day. But I’d still see what they want for Trey first and pursue that if you can buy low on him.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:52 am to TigerinATL
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Because the source is Atlanta, be it fan proposal or Hawks insider info. When you consider contracts, fair value is probably a straight swap of BI/Murray
Ok, even if we consider them equal value, then we still shouldn’t be giving up any picks. If we’re giving up a pick then we need to be getting Okongwu back, or telling Atlanta use Capella or Hunter or whoever they want and get us Allen then we can talk about completing the deal.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 10:55 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:54 am to Soggymoss
quote:Agree that I would flip the pick. Bi definitely has more value than Murray. However, Capela has more value than Nance and is a larger expiring. I would want a 1st back from Atlanta in the deal (or see if you can get Griffin thrown in)
Take out our pick and add a future pick from Atlanta.
BI has more value than Murray, and Nance has more value than Capella, I don’t understand why we giving up a pick here
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:55 am to Soggymoss
What about a trade of Branding Ingram for DeAndre Ayton? We have a giant hole at Center, he has been durable, is an athletic center that is switchable, is young, and has shown to work well as a 2nd or 3rd option. Ingram for Ayton works straight up.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 10:59 am to NOSHAU
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Agree that I would flip the pick. Bi definitely has more value than Murray. However, Capela has more value than Nance and is a larger expiring. I would want a 1st back from Atlanta in the deal (or see if you can get Griffin thrown in
I mean, honestly if this were the deal I would rather do a BI, Nance, Dyson and 2-3 picks for Garland and Allen, and I personally don’t want Garland.
Or, send BI to Philly for Reed and their 4 tradeable 1sts, send two of those to Atlanta for Murray, and the other two to Cleveland withDyaon and Nance for Allen, then come out the deal with Murray, Allen and Reed only giving up Ingram, Dyson and Nance. Still gives our own entire chest of picks available
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 11:00 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:00 am to saints5021
Ayton for BI works moneywise.
If we did that deal, I would want the Blazers’ 2nd first (14th overall, from GSW) as part of the deal.
I’d rather Murray but getting Ayton and having multiple picks and some available salary means we would still be able to go after a point.
If we did that deal, I would want the Blazers’ 2nd first (14th overall, from GSW) as part of the deal.
I’d rather Murray but getting Ayton and having multiple picks and some available salary means we would still be able to go after a point.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:03 am to teke184
CJ, Herb, Trey, Zion, Ayton is a good, balanced lineup. CJ as a 6th man, which he would be in any Mitchel, Garland, Tae, or Murray trade, is not going to happen at his salary.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:04 am to saints5021
If we get Ayton, we are likely looking at a journeyman point for this season or a young one we can draft or get for picks and Nance (for salary matching).
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:04 am to saints5021
I want no part of Ayton. We have enough soft guys on this roster.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:06 am to teke184
Which wouldn't be the worst thing. Trading BI, IMO, is about balancing the roster around Zion and getting Trey on the court. If you trade him for an upgrade at PG, you almost have to trade CJ for a center, which won't net you much. I think it would be easier to package CJ/Nance for a good but not great PG than a center.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:07 am to Soggymoss
He isn’t preferred but is a backup option if we can’t get Allen, Ogonkwu, etc.
I’d much rather trade for Murray or Trae than Ayton because, at a minimum, he has to realize he is going to be 2nd or 3rd banana behind Zion and possibly TM3 on offense. The way his season went in Portland may make him more receptive to that but it isn’t a risk I am looking forward to.
I’d much rather trade for Murray or Trae than Ayton because, at a minimum, he has to realize he is going to be 2nd or 3rd banana behind Zion and possibly TM3 on offense. The way his season went in Portland may make him more receptive to that but it isn’t a risk I am looking forward to.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:13 am to Soggymoss
quote:Philly's 1st are not terribly valuable. You are banking on Atl and Clev being enamored with them. If you do not like Garland, why would you do the first trade? Allen certainly is not worth that much.
I mean, honestly if this were the deal I would rather do a BI, Nance, Dyson and 2-3 picks for Garland and Allen, and I personally don’t want Garland.
Or, send BI to Philly for Reed and their 4 tradeable 1sts, send two of those to Atlanta for Murray, and the other two to Cleveland withDyaon and Nance for Allen, then come out the deal with Murray, Allen and Reed only giving up Ingram, Dyson and Nance. Still gives our own entire chest of picks available
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:15 am to NOSHAU
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Agree that I would flip the pick. Bi definitely has more value than Murray.
BI is the better player, but you have to take into account what he’s about to be paid compared to what Murray’s deal is locked in for. Hes making about the same as what Hunters contract is for. A pretty decent value contract.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:17 am to Soggymoss
Something like...?
Pels get Dejounte Murray & Jarrett Allen
(keep 21 and draft Edey)
Sixers get Brandon Ingram
Hawks get Caris LeVert, Georges Niang, Paul Reed, 3 1sts
Cavs get De'Andre Hunter, Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance, 1 st
Pels get Dejounte Murray & Jarrett Allen
(keep 21 and draft Edey)
Sixers get Brandon Ingram
Hawks get Caris LeVert, Georges Niang, Paul Reed, 3 1sts
Cavs get De'Andre Hunter, Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance, 1 st
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:17 am to teke184
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If we get Ayton, we are likely looking at a journeyman point for this season or a young one we can draft or get for picks and Nance (for salary matching).
Go out and get Caruso. That would be a nice starting lineup.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 11:18 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:26 am to Townedrunkard
What do the Bulls want for him and what does he get long term?
I know he is expiring and matches roughly Nance’s salary but I don’t like throwing firsts at a guy on an expiring without an extension.
Dyson may be a piece they want but the same issues apply… getting a guy on an expiring doesn’t mix with sending out trades or a guy on a rookie deal.
I know he is expiring and matches roughly Nance’s salary but I don’t like throwing firsts at a guy on an expiring without an extension.
Dyson may be a piece they want but the same issues apply… getting a guy on an expiring doesn’t mix with sending out trades or a guy on a rookie deal.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:28 am to BallHawk
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Something like...?
Pels get Dejounte Murray & Jarrett Allen (keep 21 and draft Edey)
Sixers get Brandon Ingram
Hawks get Caris LeVert, Georges Niang, Paul Reed, 3 1sts
Cavs get De'Andre Hunter, Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance, 1 st
God no. Atlanta is getting the best part of the deal here. More along:
Cavs: Dyson, Nance, #16, 2028 Philly 1st
Hawks: 2026 and 2028 Philly 1sts
Pels: Murray, Allen, Reed
Philly: BI
I would try to keep those 28 and 30 1sts from Philly and send out 21 and our 2026 1st instead, as those future 1sts from Pholly are going to be valuable IMO, whether it’s theirs or Clips picks
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:28 am to BallHawk
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Cavs get De'Andre Hunter, Dyson Daniels, Larry Nance, 1 st
They are taking on an extra 20mil in this scenario and losing their starting center.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:31 am to NOSHAU
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If you do not like Garland, why would you do the first trade? Allen certainly is not worth that much.
Allen IMO is worth Dyson and 2 1sts, however I don’t see Dyson as having a whole bunch of value right now.
As far as Garland it’s not that I don’t like him, I don’t like that contract. If he were paid 10 million less a year then I would have zero hesitation in trading for him.
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