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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:04 pm to TechTiger
Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:04 pm to TechTiger
I just think it would be so ATL to trade away a player who’s going to become an all star for a solid player. I’m not sure who’s gonna be the #1 overall pick or has superstar potential but I’m hoping ATL messes it up.
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 12:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If a team with the #1 pick moves down to #4 in a draft where the top pick is a 5, and they are moving down to take a different 5, that really further proves this is a really poor draft class.
Exactly what I was thinking. Pretty much tells you what Soggy been trying to sell everyone about the #1 pick this year is wrong…
Posted on 6/5/24 at 1:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
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If a team with the #1 pick moves down to #4 in a draft where the top pick is a 5, and they are moving down to take a different 5, that really further proves this is a really poor draft class.
Not really, different scouts and teams have different boards and see players as different fits for their particular team.
It’s possible Quin sees Clingan as a better fit for his scheme than Sarr and knowing they can get Clingan further down why not trade down and get more assets?
Or further, as was said in another part of this thread with Pels and Hawks apparently discussing a deal, maybe Griff told Hawks he doesn’t want #1 in particular, he just wants Reed and another piece from another team, and gaining 4 and 8 would allow Atlanta to go get those pieces.
There’s so many different moving parts you never know whats what until it’s announced
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 1:13 pm to Soggymoss
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It’s possible Quin sees Clingan as a better fit for his scheme than Sarr and knowing they can get Clingan further down why not trade down and get more assets?
You kind of proved his point though. The fact you’re giving up the right to draft the best player in the draft so you can take Clingan shows you how weak the draft is. The Hawks basically are saying the number one pick in this draft really doesn’t matter.
For instance do you think the Magic would trade down from taking Paolo so they can add Walker Kessler? The issue is there isn’t even a Paolo like player in this draft.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
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For instance do you think the Magic would trade down from taking Paolo so they can add Walker Kessler?
Not even remotely close bruh. Now if you would have said do I think the magic would trade down to select JSJ? Then yeah sure.
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The fact you’re giving up the right to draft the best player in the draft so you can take Clingan shows you how weak the draft is. The Hawks basically are saying the number one pick in this draft really doesn’t matter.
Not the case at all, just that their coach believes another player would fit his scheme better than Sarr. Minnesota tried trading down when they drafted Edwards, does that mean that pick didn’t matter?
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:05 pm to Soggymoss
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Not really, different scouts and teams have different boards and see players as different fits for their particular team.
The consensus #1 pick should fit on every team in the league. He should be a clear cut multi year allstar.
Sarr is the consensus #1 pick. The fact that a team isnt' interested in him but the guy that plays his same position and thought to be a lesser player is the guy they'd rather get tells you that Sarr isn't that special, and this is a crap draft.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:16 pm to Soggymoss
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Not the case at all, just that their coach believes another player would fit his scheme better than Sarr. Minnesota tried trading down when they drafted Edwards, does that mean that pick didn’t matter?
The fact the Hawks think the number one guy won’t fit their scheme is a major issue in regards to there being a clear cut number one in draft. Now rumors are Hawks are considering Clingan at one.
Look you have some solid points at times but you’re clearly wrong here. The top of the draft is complete garbage. Clingan and Sarr would not be considered number one guys in majority of drafts. There some solid talent in this draft but you don’t want a top 5 pick in this years draft- because you won’t get the talent equated to that pick.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:18 pm to Soggymoss
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Not the case at all, just that their coach believes another player would fit his scheme better than Sarr. Minnesota tried trading down when they drafted Edwards, does that mean that pick didn’t matter?
If a prospect was good enough there would be no talk of trading down. You keep spewing nonsense that Minny was trying to trade down like it’s a fact and I don’t think it ever happened.
When do you ever remember a team trading out of number one to move down to four?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:40 pm to Townedrunkard
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You keep spewing nonsense that Minny was trying to trade down like it’s a fact and I don’t think it ever happened.
Windhorst was reporting it at the time… Minnesota still wanted Edwards, but they were trying to trade down and still get him if they couldn’t get a vet they coveted.
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The fact the Hawks think the number one guy won’t fit their scheme is a major issue in regards to there being a clear cut number one in draft.
Where did I say Sarr doesn’t fit? They just feel Clingan will fit better because of his defense and size. Sounds like its the coach pushing for the guy, and Quin may feel Clingan will allow them to be better faster than Sarr, not necessarily that Clingan is better than Sarr
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Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:44 pm to Soggymoss
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Windhorst was reporting it at the time… Minnesota still wanted Edwards, but they were trying to trade down and still get him if they couldn’t get a vet they coveted.
They were trying to trade down to 3. The fact they couldn’t do that tells you Ant would likely been gone at 3.
In this situation the Hawks prefer Clingan. Rumors now are they want him at one. This is not remotely the same situation as Minn trading down two spots and still getting the best prospect. The problem in this draft is no one knows if Sarr is the best prospect- everyone knew Edwards was.
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Where did I say Sarr doesn’t fit? They just feel Clingan will fit better because of his defense and size. Sounds like its the coach pushing for the guy, and Quin may feel Clingan will allow them to be better faster than Sarr, not necessarily that Clingan is better than Sarr
I didn’t say you said that. The fact they think Clingan fits better is a big red flag on Sarr. The number one pick should fit every team because his talent dictates so. Thats not the case with Sarr. Hes not a franchise game changing player at number one- the Hawks know this. If thats the case, then the Hawks will just draft the guy they like because they feel the talent is equal.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:46 pm to Townedrunkard
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When do you ever remember a team trading out of number one to move down to four?
Celtics moved from 1 to 3 so they could select Jason Tatum instead of Markelle Fultz or Lonzo Ball.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:47 pm to Pels_Yaz
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They were trying to trade down to 3.
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best prospect- everyone knew Edwards was.
Then why would they even consider trading down? Your logic does not compute bro
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:50 pm to Soggymoss
What's the difference between Clingan and Kessler?
They both have similar numbers and college careers as well as size and ability, excpet for the fact that Kessler blocked 4.6 shots a game in his second year and Clingan blocked 2.5.
Clingan is going to to go top 5. Kessler went 22nd.
They both have similar numbers and college careers as well as size and ability, excpet for the fact that Kessler blocked 4.6 shots a game in his second year and Clingan blocked 2.5.
Clingan is going to to go top 5. Kessler went 22nd.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:54 pm to Soggymoss
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Then why would they even consider trading down? Your logic does not compute bro
Because you try to see if its possible. They didn’t pull the trigger. Magic did the same thing. Teams do this all the time. Can we trade down and get our guy. Most the time you can’t but this draft its very doable. Not everyone thinks Sarr is the guy. Hes not close to the prospect Ant or even Paolo was.
My point is you’re using the Minn rumor as an excuse that the Hawks are just seeing whats out there. Maybe. But now the rumor is they want Clingan at one. Maybe its all smoke but the fact is the draft is weak at the top so its more than just smoke. This is a very weak draft at the top- I just dont understand how you dont recognize that???
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What's the difference between Clingan and Kessler? They both have similar numbers and college careers as well as size and ability, excpet for the fact that Kessler blocked 4.6 shots a game in his second year and Clingan blocked 2.5. Clingan is going to to go top 5. Kessler went 22nd.
Theres no difference in fact the hope is Clingan is good as Kessler- he might not be.
The fact that Hawks want him at one shows you how weak the top of the draft is.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 2:58 pm to TeddyPadillac
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What's the difference between Clingan and Kessler?
Well, one won two titles and the other didn’t win one. There’s one difference.
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Clingan is going to to go top 5. Kessler went 22nd.
Different draft classes. The comparison I made would be a team trading down from 1 to 3, not 1 to 22…
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Because you try to see if its possible. They didn’t pull the trigger. Magic did the same thing. Teams do this all the time
Ok, and who’s to say this report isn’t all posturing by the Hawks? Orlando had everyone convinced they preferred JSJ before the draft only to select Paolo. There’s a shitload of smoke before the draft, doesn’t mean that teams don’t like a guy, just means they’re hearing rumors and trying to get someone to overpay to trade up.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:01 pm to Soggymoss
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Well, one won two titles and the other didn’t win one. There’s one difference.
Stop it. I mean Clingan had first round talent around him. Come on man. You’re grasping at straws here.
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:04 pm to Soggymoss
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Ok, and who’s to say this report isn’t all posturing by the Hawks? Orlando had everyone convinced they preferred JSJ before the draft only to select Paolo. There’s a shitload of smoke before the draft, doesn’t mean that teams don’t like a guy, just means they’re hearing rumors and trying to get someone to overpay to trade up.
Again in my post I said this MAYBE true but this draft is really weak at the top so theres a higher likelihood that its not just all smoke.
I guess my question for you is this: do you think this draft has a franchise changing superstar?
Posted on 6/5/24 at 3:05 pm to Pels_Yaz
Superstar? No
There will be multiple stars coming out of this draft that will be great 2’s on a championship team though, and I personally believe that Reed will be one of them.
I think Edey will be the next Gobert level center also. Two reasons why my preferred Ingram package over all others would be a deal with Houston to get that 3rd pick and JSJ, take Reed at 3 and Edey at 21. JSJ is primary backup to Zion and our small ball 5.
Very close 2nd favorite would be for Trae.
There will be multiple stars coming out of this draft that will be great 2’s on a championship team though, and I personally believe that Reed will be one of them.
I think Edey will be the next Gobert level center also. Two reasons why my preferred Ingram package over all others would be a deal with Houston to get that 3rd pick and JSJ, take Reed at 3 and Edey at 21. JSJ is primary backup to Zion and our small ball 5.
Very close 2nd favorite would be for Trae.
This post was edited on 6/5/24 at 3:07 pm
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