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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:36 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:36 am to NOSHAU
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Philly's 1st are not terribly valuable.
Explain how their 2028 and 2030 1sts have no value? Embiid is already breaking down and getting old, and their only other real piece is Maxey.
They won’t be good for long, I would say their future picks are probably the most valuable in the league behind Lakers, Clips and Bucks.
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:40 am to Soggymoss
Present value, given that we aren’t rebuilding.
Those are so far out they don’t do us any good during the career of most of our roster.
Those are so far out they don’t do us any good during the career of most of our roster.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 11:51 am to Soggymoss
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Allen IMO is worth Dyson and 2 1sts, however I don’t see Dyson as having a whole bunch of value right now.
So Allen is worth basically three first round picks, hell nah.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:12 pm to Townedrunkard
Cavs management has already said they're not that interested in trading Allen, Mobley, Garland or Mitchell. Cavs goal this offseason is to convince Mitchell to resign, no way they make a trade for picks.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:16 pm to saintslsupels
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Cavs management has already said they're not that interested in trading Allen, Mobley, Garland or Mitchell.
Rich Paul also stated if Mitchell stays, Garland wants out. As Pelicans fans annoyingly know, Rich Paul usually gets what he wants.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:17 pm to saintslsupels
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Cavs management has already said they're not that interested in trading Allen, Mobley, Garland or Mitchell.
When did they say this?
It's been heavily rumored that they want to move Allen, the hit piece that was dropped as soon as they were eliminated from the playoffs kinda backs that up. Also, Klutch has said that they will request a trade of Garland if Mitchell signs an extension.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:26 pm to teke184
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Present value, given that we aren’t rebuilding.
Did you just miss the entire other parts of the trade I laid out and just looked at BI for Reed and Philly 1sts?
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:03 pm to Soggymoss
Reading Hawks reddit, they don't think Ingram is all that good and his contract will be terrible.
I think Jester and some of the Ingram guys are going to be shocked at how bad the return on him is.
I think Jester and some of the Ingram guys are going to be shocked at how bad the return on him is.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:05 pm to Epic Cajun
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When did they say this?
Hes not wrong on this. Their GM stated this but I think its just negotiating leverage.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:05 pm to ghost2most
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I think Jester and some of the Ingram guys are going to be shocked at how bad the return on him is.
That was my initial take after the season. I have gotten slightly more optimistic as fans do, thinking maybe we can get something good.
I am skeptical, though.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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That was my initial take after the season. I have gotten slightly more optimistic as fans do, thinking maybe we can get something good. I am skeptical, though.
People may not like it but Dejounte stats wise and overall is no different than Ingram. People over and undervalue BI on the board.
Both guys are one time all stars- Dejounte tends to stay more healthy in his career, plays better defense and averaged slightly more points this year.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:16 pm to ghost2most
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I think Jester and some of the Ingram guys are going to be shocked at how bad the return on him is.
That's somethign coming from the guy who thinks Jarrett Allen has more value than BI and we'd have to give Cleveland BI and more just to get Jarrett Allen.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:21 pm to Soggymoss
The easiest less complicated trade is the BI/Nance Murray/Capela swap. Then go and see how much to get Allen. If the cost is to much, roll with Capela for a year and draft one of the centers this year, hopefully Edny. And see how much Hawkins and DD develop to make a move on CJ the following year for a long term solution at center.
This is after we see the cost of getting Trae of course.
This is after we see the cost of getting Trae of course.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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That was my initial take after the season. I have gotten slightly more optimistic as fans do, thinking maybe we can get something good.
I am skeptical, though
This is why it makes sense if we end up making a more lateral move with:
Rockets
Magic
Pacers
Hornets
All of these teams have young players that can contribute now and future assets
Then you can take CJ, our own war chest, our own assets, and ____ remaining assets to make the next splash while still getting better.
This is the route we take > packaging Herb/ Trey/ Hawk like some people throw around for no reason other than that they like to enjoy pain.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:45 pm to Soggymoss
quote:They would also have a young BI in that trade. Are all 4 1sts going to be not protected? That would be a high ask to get them to not have any protections for 4 1st round picks.
Explain how their 2028 and 2030 1sts have no value? Embiid is already breaking down and getting old, and their only other real piece is Maxey.
They won’t be good for long, I would say their future picks are probably the most valuable in the league behind Lakers, Clips and Bucks.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:55 pm to Townedrunkard
Easiest sure, but we are taking a loss when I feel we can get a better deal than that.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:19 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Yahoo sports is saying basically saying Cavs aren’t in any rush to move there “core 4”.
My point is even if Mitchell re signs with Cleveland and they trade Garland, they’re not trading Garland for mostly picks. Cavs will only want to look at trades where they get players back because they’re in win now mode.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:23 pm to saintslsupels
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My point is even if Mitchell re signs with Cleveland and they trade Garland, they’re not trading Garland for mostly picks. Cavs will only want to look at trades where they get players back because they’re in win now mode.
If only we had a veteran player they could use that has made an allstar team...
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:31 pm to Pels_Yaz
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People may not like it but Dejounte stats wise and overall is no different than Ingram.
No different except for Dejounte averaging more points, rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, better 3 pt %, and significantly more games played.
Murray also has a much better contract, played much better in the 2nd half of the season and didn't collapse in the playin/playoffs immediately after throwing a fit over playing time.
Ingram is coming off an awful showing on Team USA and a dreadful end to the season.
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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If only we had a veteran player they could use that has made an allstar team...
Sure, I could see that as a possibility. There’s just been several posts speculating that Cavs might trade someone for mostly draft picks, and that for sure ain’t happening.
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