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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread

Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:00 am to
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:00 am to
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Would you not trade him for 1st overall?


First overall in this draft does not have the same appeal as first in most other drafts.


Not sure it is 2015 or 2000 levels of meh but certainly not perceived as a generational talent.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17392 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:00 am to
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You just compared a 6'2" shooting guard in one of the worst drafts ever to the best shooter to ever play

Literally said they’re the same height and Shep has elite shooting skills like Curry had. Never said he’s Curry dude.

As far as you saying he’s strictly a shooting guard that’s highly debatable, he has the skills and the BBIQ to be a lead guard
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17392 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:03 am to
quote:

First overall in this draft does not have the same appeal as first in most other drafts.

This is not answering the question posed, but ok I’ll bite again.

Would you trade Caruso coming off an all defensive 1st team performance under contract for 2 more years at 8 million per year for the 5th pick in last season’s draft, or if I can guarantee you the 5th pick in next seasons draft?
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13872 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:09 am to
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Less than Trey's next contract.


So say both players stay on the same trajectory, Trey will be worth more in a trade than Herb with a contract that pays him double? I disagree but each his own.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:10 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103143 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:09 am to
For Ivey? I’d consider it, but we’d have to look at why he isn’t cutting it in Detroit other than it being Detroit.

For Ausar Thompson? Less so. Too raw, doesn’t really fit our timeline if he can’t fix his shot.

For next season? I’d certainly consider it because next season’s crop is supposed to be better than this season’s.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17392 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:13 am to
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For Ivey?

No, this is hypothetical, you have last years draft class and a team is offering #5 for Caruso before draft night, coming off 1st team all defense as the best G/W defender in the league under contract for 2 more years at 8 million per year. I would place #1 this years value as #5 in what people call normal drafts.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:14 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:15 am to
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So say both players stay on the same trajectory, Trey will be worth more in a trade than Herb with a contract that pays him double? I disagree but each his own.

We keep talking about rigth now, and you keep asking questions about the future with the "trajectory" qualifier.

Right now, if Zion or Herb or Trey were traded, Zion/Trey would have more value than Herb.


Right now, if all 3 were free agents, Zion/Trey would get bigger deals than Herb.

Anyone who disagrees with those 2 very obvious statements, bless your heart.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:16 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103143 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:15 am to
Theoretically, 5th in a normal draft works if you have your board set and feel there are several players worth it should one come off the board unexpectedly.

I’d have loved to have gotten Mathurin that year but the Pacers threw everyone for a loop by getting him.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
17392 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:21 am to
Thank you, you just proved my point that people here vastly overvalue Herb, Caruso coming off last offseason would have the same exact value as Herb does now.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:23 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29796 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Would you trade Caruso coming off an all defensive 1st team performance under contract for 2 more years at 8 million per year for the 5th pick in last season’s draft, or if I can guarantee you the 5th pick in next seasons draft?


Caruso, sure. Herb is a better player than Caruso though.

Herb, no i would not trade Herb for the #5 pick in any future draft.
I would be delighted if the #5 pick in any draft turned out to be as good as Herb.

Ausar Thompson, no
Jaden Ivey, no
Jalen Suggs, no
Isaac Okoro, no
Garland, sure
Trae Young, obviously
Dearon Fox, obviously
Kris Dunn, no
Mario whogivesashit, no
Dante Exum, no

That's only 3 guys that are clearly better than Herb in the last 10 drafts.
And this is a shitty draft year.


Do you not understand how much of a crapshoot the draft is?
Why on earth would we covet a top 5 pick in this draft as someone who is going to help us be a contender in the next 4 years? We know Herb helps us contend. We know BI does. If both of them are going out, then we better be getting back sure things, not a crapshoot draft pick.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29796 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:29 am to
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Thank you, you just proved my point that people here vastly overvalue Herb, Caruso coming off last offseason would have the same exact value as Herb does now.




no he wouldn't. he'd actually have more value right now than he did last year. A lot more.

Caruso shot 36% from 3 last year averaging 5ppg. 33% from 3 the year before and 7ppg.
He shot 41% from 3 and 10ppg this past year.


Herb shot 42% from 3 and averaged 11ppg this past year.



Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:39 am to
quote:

This is not answering the question posed, but ok I’ll bite again.

Would you trade Caruso coming off an all defensive 1st team performance under contract for 2 more years at 8 million per year for the 5th pick in last season’s draft, or if I can guarantee you the 5th pick in next seasons draft?
He's on an expiring deal at $10 million. Herb's deal is locked in for 3 years under $42 million. Caruso is 30, Herb is 25. Which do you think has much more value? They are not even comparable value-wise IMO. Trying to go back in time makes no sense whatsoever. Adding a year to each contract and subtracting a year of age does not change the answer.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 11:42 am
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7769 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:43 am to
Where would Herb go in this draft knowing what we know now?

He's already 25 but that white dude from Tennesee is pretty old and some have him top 10.

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13489 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 11:48 am to
quote:

Thank you, you just proved my point that people here vastly overvalue Herb, Caruso coming off last offseason would have the same exact value as Herb does now.
As I stated above, I disagree completely. Regardless. we are not looking to tear apart the team and rebuild. We may be looking to move BI because of his contract extension. However, you do not strip the team to do that. Herb would probably be our 2nd most valuable player after Zion remaining. He is not a throw in . His contract is cheaper than that of the #1 overall pick in this year's draft. It just makes no sense to include him in a trade for lesser players and a more expensive unknown draft pick.
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31926 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:12 pm to
There's teams that can be enamored by potential and there's teams that can't be.

We are a team that can't be. You can't trade a top 10 sf and a 1st team all nba defender for a top 10 pg and a potential rim running big.

Zion would just shake his head and income more zion wants out talk.

Sarr could be Evan Mobley, jjj. He could also be James Wiseman.

That is a huge gamble this draft. A gamble you'll lose often times and one that is franchise altering. No thanks, I'll keep herb and move on.

You could convince me garland/Allen will be next
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7769 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:16 pm to
JJJ is wayyyy better than Mobley imo
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7769 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 12:22 pm to
MM deleted his twitter again. He has some good takes but remains the ultimate chode imo
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
42980 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 1:11 pm to
Looks like he got in trouble
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 1:14 pm to
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Looks like he got in trouble


Yeah I wonder if his so called Hawks source said “hey dumbass shut the frick up.” He was literally stating on his twitter that his takes were sourced from the Hawks.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 6/3/24 at 1:25 pm to
If he took his twitter down over that I'm surprised it hasn't happened before. It's not the first time he's given specifics like that on potential deals that seem to be in consideration. Atlanta must really want BI and/or Herb to care this time.
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