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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:46 am to Soggymoss
Posted on 6/3/24 at 8:46 am to Soggymoss
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So is Curry, and Shep is an elite shooter like Curry. 52% from 3 in college doesn’t happen accidentally.
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Saying his ceiling is a bench player is just, I don’t know, a horrible take?
You just compared a 6'2" shooting guard in one of the worst drafts ever to the best shooter to ever play.
I'm simply not giving up any asset of ours to make a pick in this draft. It's not worth it. The risk far outweighs the reward.
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:00 am to ghost2most
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Mobley is pretty good. Not even close to All Star level.
Cleve is going to offer him the rookie Max.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:16 am to 50_Tiger
quote:Is that your definition of the only type of player that is highly valuable and makes this team better?
So you wouldn't trade Herb to Cleve, ATL, or DET this summer for anything that ISNT bringing back a top 15 player?
Also, we are not just talking about Herb, we are talking about combining him with BI, who is certainly not a throw in.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:21 am to Soggymoss
quote:I have not seen any reports of teams beating down the Hawks' doors to get the #1. There also is the issue of paying the #1 overall guaranteed salary. He will make more than Herb Jones 4 year contract.
Yes, multiple teams.
In years past maybe not, but with the success Wemby and Chet had last season teams view Sarr as a lighter version of them that if he improves his shooting they think he can be a superstar
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Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:28 am to Soggymoss
quote:And yet you cannot find anyone who agrees with the bull you are throwing out.
Jesus christ we have to have a collection of some of the dumbest fricking posters here, and you’re 6 of them wrapped in one
There is NO WAY Minnesota offered #1 for Jrue even if some unknown bleacher report writer thought they should consider it (a lot different than offering it). If you recall, there was plenty of talk that Griff was trying to get to the to top because he was in love with Ball. He would have jumped on that deal if ever offered.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:29 am to NOSHAU
Gonna be a long 3 weeks
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:30 am to TigerinATL
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I think getting a package that includes any of Trae/Murray/Garland in a BI trade is a good outcome.
This has to be the result this offseason. All three are about in the same tier as BI. Trae is a tier above but with his contract and other issues drops him down.
I think Atl was into moving Trae but now that they have the number one pick, think they can use that and other pieces to get a real difference maker, but I don’t see it. And they probably thought they’d get a superstar return on him and of course it’s not there., If they play hardball with Herb, I’d definitely move on and work on a Garland/Allen trade.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:33 am to 50_Tiger
quote:And?
Cleve is going to offer him the rookie Max.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:40 am to 50_Tiger
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Bro you are off your rocker if you believe that
He’s not the best player in our team, but value wise, he might be our best asset.
He was just voted the best wing defender in the entire nba, he’s on a great contract, going into his prime, has been improving every year, and just comes to work everyday with no bull shite. He’s the ultimate team player that can fit in on any team. Thats an extremely valuable commodity in this day and age.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 9:41 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 9:44 am to Townedrunkard
quote:There is no world or logic or anything that should make anyone think that Herb Jones has more value than Trey Murphy or Zion Williamson.
He’s not the best player in our team, but value wise, he might be our best asset.
It's wild that we'd even have to discuss this and not everyone would agree with that.
The Pelicans are going to tell you just how much more valuable Trey is when they give him an extension. No reason not to listen to them.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:00 am to shel311
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There is no world or logic or anything that should make anyone think that Herb Jones has more value than Trey Murphy or Zion Williamson.
I think it's closer on Trey than you think, but I mostly agree.
I do think Herb is more valuable to the Pels than Ingram by a lot.
Now I don't think his value is equal to Ingram league wide, but it's not as far off as Ingram fan boys think.
Ingram is starting a downward trajectory of impact due to his upcoming salary. He's not getting better and is about to become an albatross.
He's a franchise killer like Beal.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:09 am to ghost2most
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He's a franchise killer like Beal.
I tend to agree, and it kind of sucks b/c both BI and Beal aren't bad players, they just shouldn't be max players, and they shouldn't be the #1 on any team.
It's a huge difference if Beal is making $40M/yr instead of $50M/yr.
I actually like Beal. I always thought he played hard and gave his all on both sides of the court. Yeah he's a chucker, but he's proven he'll defer when he plays with better players. But he should'nt be making the same amount of money as KD or Booker. He doesn't give you what they do, and it's stupid how the NBA hands out max contracts to anyone who averages 25ppg for a season.
Mikal Bridges is a sought after player right now b/c of his contract. If he signs a max contract extension next offseason he gets closer to being similar to Beal/BI in that he's still a good player, but he's making way too much money for what his role is on a contender.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:21 am to shel311
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There is no world or logic or anything that should make anyone think that Herb Jones has more value than Trey Murphy or Zion Williamson.
Well at the beginning of the year, this board was ready to ship fat Zion off for peanuts. What if he returns to that level or gets hurt again.?
Trey will probably get overpaid just on his potential. Time will tell if he reaches that potential and is worth that contract.
What would Herbs contract be if he was a free agent this year or next year if he improved even more?
And no I’m not saying Herb would pull in more in a trade than Zion or Murphy right now.
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:33 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:32 am to 50_Tiger
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When the frick will you folks learn that Herb is essentially our most valuable/ protected player.
Bro you are off your rocker if you believe that ?
Please explain how I'm off my rocker?
Excluding BI:
1. Zion
2. Herb/ Trey
3. CJ/ Dyson/ Hawk
Out of Herb/ Trey only (1) has been named All Defense 1st team.
Herb will also be making 1/3rd of Zion and probably 1/2 of Trey.
So I'm off my rocker for commons sense?
Or do you not know what the frick (1st team all defense) means or understand Herb's role/ impact in the NBA as a whole.
Notice I said (In the NBA as a whole) not just our team.
So no I'm not "off my rocker" for saying that the #1 defensive guard/ wing player in the entire NBA is protected or considered most valuable by their team.
frick this whole argument is that "30/30 teams WANT Herb Jones"
And yet you are saying "im off my rocker" for having a high value on him?
Your whole argument is based of the value of other players to aquire Herb. None of that is even relevant to this conversation. You are discounting Herbs value, discounting his value to OUR team, and discounting his actual NBA value.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:34 am to Townedrunkard
quote:Yes, new data and years before or after does change someone's value.
Well at the beginning of the year, this board was ready to ship fat Zion off for peanuts. What if he returns to that level or gets hurt again.?
Right now, it's not close. There is zero argument that Herb has more value in a trade than Zion or Trey Murphy.
quote:Less than Trey's next contract.
What would Herbs contract be if he was a free agent this year or next year if he improved even more?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:37 am to Dantheman504
quote:If you're ranking asset value, it's:
Please explain how I'm off my rocker?
Excluding BI:
1. Zion
2. Herb/ Trey
1. Zion
2. Trey
3. Herb
There is no other order, that's it.
quote:"Value by their team"
So I'm off my rocker for commons sense?
Or do you not know what the frick (1st team all defense) means or understand Herb's role/ impact in the NBA as a whole.
Notice I said (In the NBA as a whole) not just our team.
So no I'm not "off my rocker" for saying that the #1 defensive guard/ wing player in the entire NBA is protected or considered most valuable by their team.
So Trey's extension will be for less than Herb, right? Definitely not 2x as much as Herb's extension, correct?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:39 am
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:44 am to shel311
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So Trey's extension will be for less than Herb, right? Definitely not 2x as much as Herb's extension, correct?
To be fair there were other limiting factors at play with regard to Herb's contract that won't be in play with Trey's. So I don't think you can use Herb's value deal, which was the max the Pels could offer at the time, to say they value Herb less. I agree that Trey has more value than Herb, but the contracts aren't what tell us that. The league's premium on shooting and Trey's ceiling being higher is where his value comes from.
Can y'all try and not make the next 2 pages a dumb Herb vs. Trey argument?l
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:44 am to Dantheman504
So you are off your rocker
Okay no real point in furthering that convo.
Okay no real point in furthering that convo.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:47 am to TigerinATL
Contract value is inherently a market indicator though. Sure there are small one offs here and there that makes you consider outside variables, but at its core, the market dictates exactly what you are worth. Otherwise, you wouldn't accept the contract offered if you felt you were worth more.
Posted on 6/3/24 at 10:54 am to shel311
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So no I'm not "off my rocker" for saying that the #1 defensive guard/ wing player in the entire NBA is protected or considered most valuable by their team.
Ok, I’ll bite
Caruso was voted the best guard/wing the previous season and is on an even more team friendly contract, and shoots the same percentage from 3 as Herb.
Would you not trade him for 1st overall?
This post was edited on 6/3/24 at 10:56 am
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