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re: SVG Meeting with Pels
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:01 pm to hendersonshands
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:01 pm to hendersonshands
Griffin took his top two candidates in CLE and finessed it into Lue as an assistant and Blatt as HC
I think Langdon’s relationship w Weaver and Griffin’s familiarity with him from visiting Didi in AUS could give us a leg up? I mean, the dude is a coach in the NBL, you would think a lead assistant role in the NBA could be tempting to him
I think Langdon’s relationship w Weaver and Griffin’s familiarity with him from visiting Didi in AUS could give us a leg up? I mean, the dude is a coach in the NBL, you would think a lead assistant role in the NBA could be tempting to him
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Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:12 pm to NOFOX
I’m surprised at how many people here seem like they’d be happy with an SVG hire. FTR, I think he’d be just ok.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:18 pm to GynoSandberg
I think Weaver would 100% take it. I don't know if the head coach would want him.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:19 pm to D011ahbi11
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I’m surprised at how many people here seem like they’d be happy with an SVG hire. FTR, I think he’d be just ok.
Probably because of all the Kidd rumors.
Posted on 10/14/20 at 8:20 pm to GynoSandberg
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Griffin took his top two candidates in CLE and finessed it into Lue as an assistant and Blatt as HC
Griffin didn’t want Blatt. Ownership did he was forced into Blatt and fired him as soon as he was allowed.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 8:51 am to Fun Bunch
Video clip of Fletch and Shamit discussing SVG.
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Quote from Fletch:
Shamit agreed he thought it would be SVG because he sees Lue going to Houston or LA.
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Quote from Fletch:
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I've talked to a lot of people in the NBA over the last 48 hours and I think it's going to be Stan Van Gundy. I think on Thursday or Friday he will be named the next head coach of the New Orleans Pelicans.
Shamit agreed he thought it would be SVG because he sees Lue going to Houston or LA.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:10 am to TigerinATL
I am not on board with this hire.
He is arrogant and not open to change it appears based on his history.
He got fired mid season from a team that went on and won a championship b/c he argued with Shaq and refused to listen to Riley.
He got fired from the Magic for issues with Dwight Howard, although this one doesn't bother me that much b/c Howard was an idiot, but it just further shows that he does what he wants and doesn't really care what others think.
After all of that he took a job with Detroit where he would have complete control of the team, and that was a failure.
All of that points to a guy that isn't capable of taking criticism and changing for the better more often than not.
Didn't seem like that's the kind of guy Griffin is looking for.
Has SVG changed and humbled himself a bit? I seriously doubt it. Seems like a hire that is extremely risky in pissing off our stars off, as well as our GM.
Has anyone but JJ had anything good to say about him?
He has a quote saying "You have a different opinion than Pat, then apparently it's stupid". SVG seems too stupid to see the hypocrisy in this quote, both in basketball terms and within his twitter feed.
He was an assistant under Pat for 13 years before getting promoted to HC. He soured all that previous experience in no time b/c of his arrogance, and he seems too stupid to even know of his arrogance.
HARD PASS HERE!
He is arrogant and not open to change it appears based on his history.
He got fired mid season from a team that went on and won a championship b/c he argued with Shaq and refused to listen to Riley.
He got fired from the Magic for issues with Dwight Howard, although this one doesn't bother me that much b/c Howard was an idiot, but it just further shows that he does what he wants and doesn't really care what others think.
After all of that he took a job with Detroit where he would have complete control of the team, and that was a failure.
All of that points to a guy that isn't capable of taking criticism and changing for the better more often than not.
Didn't seem like that's the kind of guy Griffin is looking for.
Has SVG changed and humbled himself a bit? I seriously doubt it. Seems like a hire that is extremely risky in pissing off our stars off, as well as our GM.
Has anyone but JJ had anything good to say about him?
He has a quote saying "You have a different opinion than Pat, then apparently it's stupid". SVG seems too stupid to see the hypocrisy in this quote, both in basketball terms and within his twitter feed.
He was an assistant under Pat for 13 years before getting promoted to HC. He soured all that previous experience in no time b/c of his arrogance, and he seems too stupid to even know of his arrogance.
HARD PASS HERE!
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:10 am to TigerinATL
Any prediction Fletch makes is a huge grain of salt, but yeah, if Lue takes either Clippers or Houston, you have to think its SVG.
Another benefit of hiring SVG:
We will get some pretty consistent positive media coverage from national outlets for awhile, and they will almost certainly be less critical for a bit when things aren't going well. He was one of them for awhile.
Another benefit of hiring SVG:
We will get some pretty consistent positive media coverage from national outlets for awhile, and they will almost certainly be less critical for a bit when things aren't going well. He was one of them for awhile.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:36 am to TeddyPadillac
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not open to change
This is NOT accurate at all. He does not have a specific system and has changed it depending on lineups many times. I do not think "not open to change" is accurate at all when referencing SVG.
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He got fired mid season from a team that went on and won a championship b/c he argued with Shaq and refused to listen to Riley.
This was almost 20 years ago, and he won a shitload of games.
He then changed systems and when pretty revolutionary in Orlando and won a shitload of games.
Detroit is his own fault, and that happens.
Is he my favorite candidate? No. But he IS a good coach.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:42 am to Fun Bunch
I think his system fits what the Pelicans want to run. Give Zion space and surround him with shooters and guys who can get to the basket.
Not my top choice either but he fits better than Lue in my opinion.
Not my top choice either but he fits better than Lue in my opinion.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
I hope you're right. I think he can be a good coach as well, but i think it's a stupid hire given his history with the two other star players he's coached.
I don't want him. His personality is not ideal for a head coach for most players.
When i said "not open to change" i more meant, not open to listening to what others say. He does what he wants b/c he thinks he's right all the time.
I'd rather Lue, and i don't really want him either.
Dan Craig is my #1 candidate.
I don't want him. His personality is not ideal for a head coach for most players.
When i said "not open to change" i more meant, not open to listening to what others say. He does what he wants b/c he thinks he's right all the time.
I'd rather Lue, and i don't really want him either.
Dan Craig is my #1 candidate.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:45 am to TeddyPadillac
I'm on board with the SVG hire, but I also can't disagree with the points you make.
I think, of the guys that seem to be in running, SVG has the highest floor. I don't think he comes here and we're already looking at lottery odds by Thanksgiving like we were under Gentry. If you get fortunate, the ceiling for one of the younger guys might be higher, but their floors could also be lower.
Stan was over .500 every year of his career before he got to Detroit. Unfortunately for us, we've never had that type of consistency here. I'd take consistent 45+ win seasons and playoff appearances, at this point.
I think, of the guys that seem to be in running, SVG has the highest floor. I don't think he comes here and we're already looking at lottery odds by Thanksgiving like we were under Gentry. If you get fortunate, the ceiling for one of the younger guys might be higher, but their floors could also be lower.
Stan was over .500 every year of his career before he got to Detroit. Unfortunately for us, we've never had that type of consistency here. I'd take consistent 45+ win seasons and playoff appearances, at this point.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:46 am to TeddyPadillac
My concern is not whether he is a good coach or not, but whether he is the right coach to connect with our young team. He is a 61 year old white coach who last coached in the NBA 3 seasons ago.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 9:46 am to jbuck75
I'm not sure that he would run 4 Out with us. Do we have enough shooters for that?
I could see BI in the Rashard Lewis role, and he specifically mentioned he liked Ball's development as a catch and shoot 3 guy, but I think we need one or two more consistent 3 point shooters to be effective on the roster.
To me its why a draft pick like Nesmith makes a lot of sense.
I could see BI in the Rashard Lewis role, and he specifically mentioned he liked Ball's development as a catch and shoot 3 guy, but I think we need one or two more consistent 3 point shooters to be effective on the roster.
To me its why a draft pick like Nesmith makes a lot of sense.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:28 am to Fun Bunch
I'll quote ole Crewz here, twitter name redacted:
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I dont think going back to SVGs Pistons tenure makes any sense to figure out what he'd do with Pels. OR the Magic tenure for that matter. Guy has admittedly talked to hundreds of people around the league to modernize his thinking and won't be like either of those past versions.
Again, every coach can run everything. Because there aren't that many things to run. You do what your personnel dictates. The coaches job isn't to draw up a bunch of fancy plays. Its to institute foundations and set expectations
Posted on 10/15/20 at 10:32 am to Fun Bunch
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The coaches job isn't to draw up a bunch of fancy plays. Its to institute foundations and set expectations
I 100% agree, but it's also a coaches job to develop young players, to relate to them, and get the best out of them.
I don't argue that he isn't knowledgeable or that we wouldn't be good with him, b/c i think he'd make us a playoff team easily.
My biggest concern with him is how he interacts and develops relationships within the organization, from the players, to the staff, to the management.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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I 100% agree, but it's also a coaches job to develop young players, to relate to them
That is more of a product of assistant coaches than head coach, but other than Dwight (who is an enormous piece of shite) have any young players voiced displeasure with SVG?
SVG also was not a Kidd situation where he gets fired and the team starts doing better. He beefed with Riley, but according to most Riley was overbearing because of the team he put together and his desire to coach again:
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"Stan got fired because Pat (Riley) wanted to take over, not because I wanted him out," Shaq said in his latest book,
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“I mean, he does it differently. Stan’s a screamer and a yeller. With the type of team that we got, that doesn’t necessarily work all the time. And it’s not saying that it’s the player’s way but, I think what it was is that Pat was very involved at the time. He’s very involved with his coaches from what I’ve seen leaving notes and he’s at every practice and every trip…he’s involved. And for some coaches, that could be difficult to do – to have your boss on your back or on your heels all the time and I think that was something that Stan was tired of. It probably was a crash course. Pat was a little… anxious because I think we were like, 10-10, but Shaq had missed the first ten games of the season" - Atnoine Walker
Posted on 10/15/20 at 12:57 pm to NOFOX
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but other than Dwight (who is an enormous piece of shite) have any young players voiced displeasure with SVG?
Has anyone said anything positive about him other than JJ?
Posted on 10/15/20 at 1:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
Blake
- “He’s actually a very cool guy. Very nice guy. Funny. And actually genuinely cares about people. That’s kind of rare.”
Gortat
Stan Van Gundy! My man! Very sad to see a great coach stepping down.He change culture in every team he coached.Things I will never forget.. True leader,incredible mind,long shoot arounds and knee pads during practices :)))love it ???????? and this one play “thumb down spread”??!
Ty Lue
“He’s an outstanding coach and I mean it’s just crazy to see that, you let a great guy like Stan go,” Lue said. “I know he’s emotional because he’s into the game, he loves the game that much, but as far as X’s and O’s, understanding different teams, different schemes, his players, he’s one of the best as far as knowing the basketball game and what it takes.”
Tobias Harris credits him with advancing his career:
“Stan Van Gundy came to me and said, ‘I need you to shoot more threes instead of slashing, and I need you to shoot like six to seven a game,’” Harris recalled at Thursday’s press conference to introduce three of the newest Sixers. “He said, 'You have to be willing go 6-for-7, 4-for-7, but you also have to be willing to go 0-7 and not second-guess any shot.’ That gave me the confidence, and I ran with it from there to the point I am at today,” Harris said. “To get the confidence from your coach was big for me going forward, and that really helped out.”
Pretty sure Jameer Nelson, Quentin Richardson, Turkoglu have praised him too.
- “He’s actually a very cool guy. Very nice guy. Funny. And actually genuinely cares about people. That’s kind of rare.”
Gortat
Stan Van Gundy! My man! Very sad to see a great coach stepping down.He change culture in every team he coached.Things I will never forget.. True leader,incredible mind,long shoot arounds and knee pads during practices :)))love it ???????? and this one play “thumb down spread”??!
Ty Lue
“He’s an outstanding coach and I mean it’s just crazy to see that, you let a great guy like Stan go,” Lue said. “I know he’s emotional because he’s into the game, he loves the game that much, but as far as X’s and O’s, understanding different teams, different schemes, his players, he’s one of the best as far as knowing the basketball game and what it takes.”
Tobias Harris credits him with advancing his career:
“Stan Van Gundy came to me and said, ‘I need you to shoot more threes instead of slashing, and I need you to shoot like six to seven a game,’” Harris recalled at Thursday’s press conference to introduce three of the newest Sixers. “He said, 'You have to be willing go 6-for-7, 4-for-7, but you also have to be willing to go 0-7 and not second-guess any shot.’ That gave me the confidence, and I ran with it from there to the point I am at today,” Harris said. “To get the confidence from your coach was big for me going forward, and that really helped out.”
Pretty sure Jameer Nelson, Quentin Richardson, Turkoglu have praised him too.
Posted on 10/15/20 at 1:31 pm to NOFOX
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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn 4m
Ty Lue is finalizing a five-year deal to become the next coach of the Los Angeles Clippers, sources tell ESPN.
Looks like Stan is probably the next Pels Head Coach.
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