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re: Summer League Game Thread: Sons vs Suns 7:00pm CT
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:41 pm to Balsamic_duck
Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:41 pm to Balsamic_duck
Guy plays three summer league games and you’re ready to trade? 
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:57 pm to MrJimBeam
You’re seeing the issue with Hawkins at play, if his shot isn’t falling he’s a negative on the court. Though I’ll still maintain I’m not concerned with his shot.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 10:59 pm to Balsamic_duck
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I dont see it at all with Hawkins. Hopefully we can package him in a trade at the deadline before the rest of the league figures it out
Jesus Christ
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:14 pm to MrJimBeam
quote:you’ll be saying the same at some point soon don’t worry
Guy plays three summer league games and you’re ready to trade?
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:16 pm to Balsamic_duck
Dysons looked great .
His passing , handle , layup package , defensive instincts have all looked great .
What hasn’t looked good is his shooting , but tbh his proven he can atleast knock down open , set threes .
His IQ is absurd he looks well above everyone in summer league .
His passing , handle , layup package , defensive instincts have all looked great .
What hasn’t looked good is his shooting , but tbh his proven he can atleast knock down open , set threes .
His IQ is absurd he looks well above everyone in summer league .
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:25 pm to Bdnp1
quote:not really
but tbh his proven he can atleast knock down open , set threes .
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:39 pm to Macintosh
Hawkins has been terrible. We shouldn’t sugar coat or dismiss that just bc it’s Summer League, bc if he was playing incredible we wouldn’t be dismissing it bc it’s Summer League.
He will get more open shots with the nba team, so that might alleviate his shooting woes. He has the yips right now. It’s most apparent when he is shooting FT’s.
Unfortunately his defense, dribbling, passing, and overall decision making is not what you’d expect from a 21 year old championship prospect taken in the lottery.
I’m a bit worried and I expect Hawkins to be up in Birmingham a few times this year. He does not look like a trustworthy player to put on an nba floor even if he was shooting 40% from 3 right now.
He was legitimately the worst player that got minutes on either team tonight and it’s not like either team is stacked with nba prospects.
Liked what I saw from Dyson as usual. Just a complete ball player minus shooting. Seabron has settled in and so has Karlo. The Tevian Jones guy kind of seems legit. He at least deserves a spot in Birmingham.
He will get more open shots with the nba team, so that might alleviate his shooting woes. He has the yips right now. It’s most apparent when he is shooting FT’s.
Unfortunately his defense, dribbling, passing, and overall decision making is not what you’d expect from a 21 year old championship prospect taken in the lottery.
I’m a bit worried and I expect Hawkins to be up in Birmingham a few times this year. He does not look like a trustworthy player to put on an nba floor even if he was shooting 40% from 3 right now.
He was legitimately the worst player that got minutes on either team tonight and it’s not like either team is stacked with nba prospects.
Liked what I saw from Dyson as usual. Just a complete ball player minus shooting. Seabron has settled in and so has Karlo. The Tevian Jones guy kind of seems legit. He at least deserves a spot in Birmingham.
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:49 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Hawkins has been terrible. We shouldn’t sugar coat or dismiss that just bc it’s Summer League, bc if he was playing incredible we wouldn’t be dismissing it bc it’s Summer League. He will get more open shots with the nba team, so that might alleviate his shooting woes. He has the yips right now. It’s most apparent when he is shooting FT’s. Unfortunately his defense, dribbling, passing, and overall decision making is not what you’d expect from a 21 year old championship prospect taken in the lottery. I’m a bit worried and I expect Hawkins to be up in Birmingham a few times this year. He does not look like a trustworthy player to put on an nba floor even if he was shooting 40% from 3 right now. He was legitimately the worst player that got minutes on either team tonight and it’s not like either team is stacked with nba prospects. Liked what I saw from Dyson as usual. Just a complete ball player minus shooting. Seabron has settled in and so has Karlo. The Tevian Jones guy kind of seems legit. He at least deserves a spot in Birmingham.
This is a well thought out post that people wearing rose colored glasses should read
Posted on 7/11/23 at 11:51 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Yeah Dysons been fine. Seabrons been fine the past couple games. It’s just Hawkins. I wonder if swinn got in Griffs ear with the UConn connection and Hawkins reminds Trajan of himself. Highly doubtful but when you have so many higher ceilings players with better skillsets already in their game. You wonder.
I seriously hope I eat crow. I wanna be wrong so bad but I think we’re gonna regret not getting Whitmore or Bufkin. Hell maybe even keyonte.
I seriously hope I eat crow. I wanna be wrong so bad but I think we’re gonna regret not getting Whitmore or Bufkin. Hell maybe even keyonte.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:09 am to Macintosh
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Yeah Dysons been fine. Seabrons been fine the past couple games. It’s just Hawkins. I wonder if swinn got in Griffs ear with the UConn connection and Hawkins reminds Trajan of himself. Highly doubtful but when you have so many higher ceilings players with better skillsets already in their game. You wonder. I seriously hope I eat crow. I wanna be wrong so bad but I think we’re gonna regret not getting Whitmore or Bufkin. Hell maybe even keyonte
I just don’t get the process of drafting an unproven rookie to solve your shooting woes. We’re going to pay Hawkins more this year than the bucks are going to pay Malik Beasley and the same amount as the mavs are going to pay Seth curry. Both proven nba shooters. If you want to fill a shooting need then go sign one or trade for one. Don’t spend a draft pick on a guy that only has one skill and hope that one skill is good enough at an NBA level to fill your need
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:18 am to Balsamic_duck
Good proven veteran shooters aren’t coming here until we prove to be competitive and stay somewhat healthy
Trade what/ who for a shooter?
Trade Val for a shooter?
That really fixes shite.
Trade Nance for a shooter?
Not until we see more Liddell and a healthy Zion.
Trade CJ/ Trey for a shooter?
Big brain move here
Trade Herb for a shooter?
Already know the outcome to that
We don’t have cap space sir. Trading CJ doesn’t fix that issue at the moment and trading Val/ Nance creates an even bigger issue at the moment.
Stop bitching out of your arse. You sound like a complete jackass the last few days
Trade what/ who for a shooter?
Trade Val for a shooter?
That really fixes shite.
Trade Nance for a shooter?
Not until we see more Liddell and a healthy Zion.
Trade CJ/ Trey for a shooter?
Big brain move here
Trade Herb for a shooter?
Already know the outcome to that
We don’t have cap space sir. Trading CJ doesn’t fix that issue at the moment and trading Val/ Nance creates an even bigger issue at the moment.
Stop bitching out of your arse. You sound like a complete jackass the last few days
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 12:20 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:52 am to Dantheman504
You always draft best available. Not need.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:19 am to Dantheman504
I get he has never been on the Hawkins train but hes not wrong on this. We could have easily freed up money by trading down or trading our pick and finding a reliable nba shooter. This league is full of them and as of right now there are times which I agree Hawkins doesn’t even look like he belongs on the same floor as some of these gleague guys. I honestly think Trevon Bluitt had a better summer league than Hawkins. All of that can change but he hasn’t impressed at all in the summer league.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:39 am to Macintosh
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It’s just Hawkins. I wonder if swinn got in Griffs ear with the UConn connection and Hawkins reminds Trajan of himself
There were definitely higher ceiling players that went after Hawkins that probably failed Griff's "want to be here" test
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:40 am to Pels_Yaz
It’s summer league and he can turn around his shooting of course during training camp. But man.. he can’t dribble, can’t self create, can’t create separation, not a facilitator, defense not the greatest, small. There’s just so many issues with his game at 21 compared to other guys that were available. It’s worrying.
He’s probably not even going to play much at all and we talk about how he fits a need with shooting like it’s gonna matter.
He’s probably not even going to play much at all and we talk about how he fits a need with shooting like it’s gonna matter.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 3:46 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:16 am to Macintosh
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It’s summer league and he can turn around his shooting of course during training camp. But man.. he can’t dribble, can’t self create, can’t create separation, not a facilitator, defense not the greatest, small. There’s just so many issues with his game at 21 compared to other guys that were available. It’s worrying. He’s probably not even going to play much at all and we talk about how he fits a need with shooting like it’s gonna matter
Yeah, even if his shooting bounces back, which it probably will, the inability to do the other stuff will keep him off the floor so he’s never going to be able to actually fill that shooting need
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:29 am to 3PieceSpicy
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Unfortunately his defense, dribbling, passing, and overall decision making is not what you’d expect from a 21 year old
I haven't seen the games just the discussions and his age can't be ignored. 21-22 year olds are supposed to be able to contribute early. It's worrisome if he's having so many problems at that advanced age (for a rookie).
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:30 am to Balsamic_duck
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I just don’t get the process of drafting an unproven rookie to solve your shooting woes. We’re going to pay Hawkins more this year than the bucks are going to pay Malik Beasley and the same amount as the mavs are going to pay Seth curry. Both proven nba shooters. If you want to fill a shooting need then go sign one or trade for one. Don’t spend a draft pick on a guy that only has one skill and hope that one skill is good enough at an NBA level to fill your need
These are legit criticisms. Complaining that a rookie shooter isn’t shooting well in summer league isn’t because it’s surprisingly common.
On top of that, a shooter like Hawkins likely takes a few years to become usable. JJ Redick’s story of having to “change his body” one summer so he could become passable on defense comes to mind.
If Hawkins becomes JJ after 2-3 years then maybe it works out. But if it takes any longer, usually players like that are on another team before they become good.
Christian Clark made it sound like they liked Grady Dick a lot more. So they settled to fill a need which usually is not a good draft strategy.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 6:34 am
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:36 am to jmcwhrter
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There were definitely higher ceiling players that went after Hawkins that probably failed Griff's "want to be here" test
Like who? Sorry, but almost every draft pick simply wants to be picked as high as possible, because that means more money, and because it also means that a team has made a greater investment in you and will help you more to be successful.
The idea that players are frequently telling teams "Don't draft me, because I want to fall all the way down to the ____."? That just about never happens in the 1st round of the draft, and it's very rare in the 2nd round.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:48 am to Macintosh
quote:Probably not but that's not entirely rare for us.
He’s probably not even going to play much at all
Someone else mentioned he'd probably play a few G League games, which also isn't rare.
See Trey Murphy. It's not a busted pick automatically if we see him move down a bit and not in the rotation all year.
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