re: Steven Adams to Pelicans in Serious Talks

We really aren’t making George hill the deal breaker here. At least wait til griff goes out and gets an even better, younger SG for half the cost of hill

One injury to Jokic or Murray and that pick is in the lottery. There's no room for error in the West.

And by 2023 I see Denver as one of the best teams in the west, and likely the NBA. That pick very well could be 28-30

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individual players trade value.

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how about their individual PLAY value, as in who brings the most to the fricking team and who makes us the better TEAM, with their play, you know, in the ACTUAL game of basketball.... dunno, but that's kind of important here...

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Just stop it.

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why? b/c its true, yet you don't agree with it? the pick we traded WILL end up being a shitty pick, and even if you combine that with another pick (or player) there's no guarantee that you get someone as good as Adams... I'd rather us go for the proven commodity than just stockpiling a ton of random picks...

Woj is saying we're giving up Hill and denver's pick. So essentially the trade was Jrue, Darius Miller, and pick 24 in the 2020 draft for Eric Bledsoe, Steven Adams and 2 future unprotected picks. IMO that's a real nice return considering that Jrue was not re-signing. If we can get Adams to resign for a reasonable contract then it's a great trade

Been in the hospital the past few days and just now getting able to see enough to type something out.

Was the OP post the final deal?

You almost certainly could have gotten a future first for Hill at the deadline, possibly right now. It was already rumored multiple contenders immediately inquired about him.

Also right now the starting lineup is:

Bledsoe
Lonzo
Ingram
Zion
Adams.

I’m sorry, this isn’t the 1990’s. That is perhaps the most atrocious spacing in the league for a team built around a guy that is 6’6 and plays around the rim in the front court. Replace Bledsoe with a version of Kira you hope pans out and it looks better, but Adams is 27 and when our team is ready to compete truly, you are talking about 3-4 years from now with a type of center that is increasingly out of style and is trending downwards(non offensive one position defensive big men).

People talking about this possibly being a move to free up cap space for next season. I ask for who, and why does it require this deal? Teams typically get paid to take on this type of contract, not the other way around.

Adams, in comparison before coming to Nola, is statistically no better a rim protector than Favors was before coming here(Favors had a 50% DFG at the rim in 18-19, Adams had a 60% in 18-19 and 54% in 19-20). In fact Favors was better both protecting the rim and rebounding. Yet people melt over his play on this team and are ready to hand GM of the year to Griff over this move that brings another guy of that mold to stand around next to Zion and help clog the paint.

Everyone last night said to wait for more details, it might get better, well more came out and it isn’t magically better, it’s worse.

If it’s a one year rental for cap space it’s terrible value, if the plan is to keep Adams for years, it’s a less than ideal fit and very likely setting us up for an overpay situation like we had with Asik.

Ya’ll chortle those Griffin balls all you want, this is one of those moves that makes no sense on paper and makes little sense on the court when you look at the long term picture. I asked last night for someone to sell him as a true long term fit without magical thinking involved and have yet to see an answer to that.

That seems pretty steep for a big, that although he fits us, is a bit of a dinosaur in the modern NBA. We gave up an asset that will garner trade capital in Hill and we gave up picks for a guy that they can’t move?

This trade seems like a last-minute desperation grab. What the Hell was this front office doing all their time leading up to free agency. Why spend so much capital on a slow-footed center, this is a shooting, fast tempo league of basketball.

Pelicans have fast, passing guards and slow bigs (Williamson, Adams). This is going to be a low scoring team that will rely on defense to stay in games.

I see OKC and Pelicans in the same situation, re-build mode except Sam Presti is doing a better job at managing the assets he acquires and with a better-prepared strategy from my point of view.

Pels get:

Bledsoe
Adams
Two 1sts

Pels Give Up:
Jru
Miller
Two 2nds

That looks pretty solid to me