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re: Stein: Pels want Markkanen with TPE, Bulls want 1st round pick.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 6:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 8/8/21 at 6:51 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Doesn't an S&T have to be a 3 year deal?
A 1/$18M or 2/$25. If he doesn’t like that, then oh well. I’m not committing anything long term to Markannen
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Posted on 8/8/21 at 6:57 pm to Bronc
It just depends on the price. If it’s less than 12 and it doesn’t cost a first rounder I’m in.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 6:59 pm to shel311
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Doesn't an S&T have to be a 3 year deal?
The third year doesn't need to be guaranteed.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 7:01 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Maybe similar to what McDermott got (3/42)
Posted on 8/8/21 at 7:09 pm to LosLobos111
Something like 3/42-45 with the third year non-guaranteed would be reasonable. If it isn't working out after the first year he's basically an expiring the following off-season you can use for salary matching in a trade. And if you just sign Temple outright I think that will still work with the Lonzo S&T.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 7:35 pm to LosLobos111
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Maybe similar to what McDermott got (3/42)
I mean that's a yes.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 7:44 pm to Fun Bunch
I think a deal like Grahams makes sense for Markkanen and the pelicans because that deal isn't bad for a 6th or 7th roster player and at worse He will live up to that postion!
Posted on 8/8/21 at 7:48 pm to shel311
quote:
Doesn't an S&T have to be a 3 year deal?
You only have to fully guarantee the first year.
Just like when we s&t kenrich and Frank and whoever else to make the Adam’s trade work. OKC only actually kept Kenrich and cut everyone else, and only had to pay them for 1 year.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 9:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Nice, did not know that. Thanks.
You only have to fully guarantee the first year.
Just like when we s&t kenrich and Frank and whoever else to make the Adam’s trade work. OKC only actually kept Kenrich and cut everyone else, and only had to pay them for 1 year.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 9:41 pm to ShamelessPel
quote:
You could add up Adams’ range and Asik’s range as shooters and it still wouldn’t extend to the 3 pt line, whereas Lauri shot 40% from 3 last year.
I hated giving Asik and Adams those contracts because their game is from the 90’s.
Lauri is a new age big that can shoot. Even if 17 is an overpay, he will always have value b/c he’s a shooter.
I think he was expecting over 20. 17 is an overpay but compared to Bertans, it’s not that bad. We had people on here rationalizing taking him and Lauri is much better. I think 14-15 would be ideal.
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:06 pm to LosLobos111
quote:
Maybe similar to what McDermott got (3/42)
Crazy they didn't go after McDermott.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:16 pm to Bronc
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Which is why it is foolish to overpay for him. If you can do as GOP says and play chicken and get him for 10-13 mil and not give up any assets, great!
Agreed. Anything more than this and I'm upset.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:21 pm to Bronc
quote:When we win a title, maybe a player would be willing to take a discount to get to the point that the team has his bird rights and can therefore pay him what he is worth. Until that time, we have to pay at least market value or more for players.
Remind me what Bobby Portis just signed for?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 4:52 am to NOSHAU
Lauri’s market value is not 17 million. Name me the competing team knocking down the door to pay Lauri 17 million??
Lauri is not even as good a player as Portis.
You all once again talking yourself into overpaying players you haven’t seen who aren’t actually going to move the needle for this team and aren’t great fits.
Every offseason we go through this.
Lauri is not even as good a player as Portis.
You all once again talking yourself into overpaying players you haven’t seen who aren’t actually going to move the needle for this team and aren’t great fits.
Every offseason we go through this.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 4:55 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 5:19 am to Bronc
ESPN's free agency predicted salaries from before the period started has been fairly accurate on most of the deals done thus far. It has Lauri's value on a multi year deal at $10 to $12 million per year. That is a far way off of $17 million per year. Perhaps one could get closer to the $17 million figure if there were less guaranteed money built into the contract in one way or another. That would put some of the risk on Lauri and his production.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 6:41 am to Bronc
quote:
Lauri’s market value is not 17 million
Not it isn’t for a 3 year deal. Not really for 2 years either. But for one year, who cares.
I wouldn’t sign him to a 3 year deal even at $10M/yr. 2 years is the most I’d give him, and I don’t really even want to do that. There’s no one else looking to sign him, so just give him a 1 year overpay or tell him good luck.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:22 am to TeddyPadillac
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There’s no one else looking to sign him, so just give him a 1 year overpay or tell him good luck.
I’m not opposed, but I guess this would limit our ability to just take someone off a team that is over the tax line.
Griff just has to weigh out if starting off with Lauri is worth not being able to take back a salary dump. However a $17m expiring could be useful in a different set of deals at the deadline.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:24 am to Bronc
quote:Don't recall ever saying he was worth $17 million. I do think he is worth more than what Portis got.
Lauri’s market value is not 17 million. Name me the competing team knocking down the door to pay Lauri 17 million??
Lauri is not even as good a player as Portis.
You all once again talking yourself into overpaying players you haven’t seen who aren’t actually going to move the needle for this team and aren’t great fits.
Every offseason we go through this.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:15 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Don't recall ever saying he was worth $17 million. I do think he is worth more than what Portis got.
Based on what?
Lauri is a one way utility player while Portis is a legit 2 way stretch 4/5.
I would take Portis over Lauri in a heartbeat.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:41 am to Bronc
Portis is also worth more than what portis got
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 9:42 am
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