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re: Stein: Hawks have emerged as potential trade destination for Jrue in multi-team deal
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:25 am to Bronc
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:25 am to Bronc
quote:
6 + Reddish and I take the deal.
I’ve talked myself into Reddish’s potential in the last 48 hours. Which is a literal 180 from my opinion this time last year.
Feel the same exact way here.
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Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:41 am to Mad Scientist26
quote:
I really like Herro
Everyone down here seems to think there is no way he’s leaving unless it’s part of a deal for an absolute superstar. Riley thinks VERY highly of him.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:43 am to St Augustine
Crewz posted this this morning. I think it unlikely but if it's possible, to me, go for it
Framework is
Pels get CP3
Warriors get JJ
OKC gets Zo, Paschall
Sign Noel, Kenrich, Moore, and Harkless
Draft Nesmith, Pritchard, and Tillie
Framework is
Pels get CP3
Warriors get JJ
OKC gets Zo, Paschall
Sign Noel, Kenrich, Moore, and Harkless
Draft Nesmith, Pritchard, and Tillie
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:55 am to BallHawk
ok. Ask him to explain how we take on a $41M contract by only sending out $24M.
Do we have to have that cap space to make an uneven trade work like this? I didn't think we did.
Do we have to have that cap space to make an uneven trade work like this? I didn't think we did.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 8:58 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:says "framework"
ok. Ask him to explain how we take on a $41M contract by only sending out $24M.
Do we have to have that cap space to make an uneven trade work like this? I didn't think we did.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:00 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:You seem to work in hindsight. What were Oladipo and Sabonis at the time of that trade? All potenitial. Sound familiar?
Making an all star team in the east at that time meant nothing. He’s a much better player today.
My point, and the point of showing what guys like PG and Kawhi demanded in a trade is to see a reference of what to expect.
If #1 this year is supposedly like #6 in a good year, then how can you think #6 for Jrue is a fair trade? PG said he wasn’t resigning in OKC and they still have up two really good young pieces in Oladipo and Sabonis, both who have made all star teams since the trade.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:07 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:
ok. Ask him to explain how we take on a $41M contract by only sending out $24M.
Do we have to have that cap space to make an uneven trade work like this? I didn't think we did.
Jrue-26.25
BI-21 (CH)
Redick-13
Lonzo-11
Zion-10.25
Jaxson-5.1
Melli-3.9
NAW-3.11
Hart-3.5
That's 97 mil and the cap is 109
Looks like we would possibly have to include Melli, but even at that point we'd have empty roster holds. I don't think this "idea" holds any water at all, it's just his attempt at landing CP3 on the team while still having Jrue, probably a guess after listening to Russillo's pod yesterday.
This post was edited on 11/12/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:09 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:
Look away, kids. McNamara is prematurely sucking his own dick again
Oh baby! Maybe there is hope that we get back to normal on this board if MM is the biggest villain on this board once again.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:16 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
That's 97 mil and the cap is 109
You have to have 12 players when you look at a teams cap, so you have to add at a minimum, 3 minimum contracts to that total. $1.6M x 3 is almost $5M, so that makes it $102M. I don't remember if you have to add the 1st round picks salary slot or not to that total, or if you can leave it as a minimum when rounding out the 12 contracts.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:18 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:Yeah, I edited to include this. It doesn't really make sense.
You have to have 12 players when you look at a teams cap, so you have to add at a minimum, 3 minimum contracts to that total. $1.6M x 3 is almost $5M, so that makes it $102M. I don't remember if you have to add the 1st round picks salary slot or not to that total, or if you can leave it as a minimum when rounding out the 12 contracts.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:24 am to NOSHAU
quote:
What were Oladipo and Sabonis at the time of that trade?
Oladipo was in his 4th year, former #2 pick, averaging 16ppg during those 4 years. He had also just signed a 4/$85M extension, so the Pacers were getting him for 4 years.
Sabonis was just 1 year into his career, #11 pick.
And again, i know Jrue is not PG, but PG made it well known he wasn't resigning, so they traded away those two young talents for a 1 year rental of PG. You don't think Jrue with an extension is worth at a minimum what PG on a 1 year rental is worth?
All i'm saying is there's a big price difference in what we should get back depending on if Jrue is extended or not. If we are trading 1 year rental Jrue, i don't expect much back, #6 and Huerter would be great. If we are trading extended Jrue, i expect #6 and Reddish at a minimum.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:43 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Jrue-26.25
BI-21 (CH)
Redick-13
Lonzo-11
Zion-10.25
Jaxson-5.1
Melli-3.9
NAW-3.11
Hart-3.5
Brandon Ingram's cap hold is $9.4m
Pelicans Salary Breakdown
That puts us at $85m not counting Moore and Favors cap holds. 13th pick holds a salary slot of $3m
So that's $88m
You renounce Favors and and sign Moore to the Darius Miller deal and Miller is let go that puts you at $95m before trading JJ, Zo. I think that makes the trade legal since we would have "cap space" to make an uneven trade
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:45 am to BallHawk
quote:
Brandon Ingram's cap hold is $9.4m
Pretty sure it is 21 million according to Sporttrac.
the 9.4 is his potential QO which we obviously will not do and instead offer him a max.
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:47 am to BallHawk
Dont see OKC wanting Lonzo
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:48 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:52 am to Fun Bunch
Right but I think it doesn't resort to that until the QO is denied, right? So, by order of operations, trade first followed by QO and then max
Posted on 11/12/20 at 9:56 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Year 1 to year 1 can you find things that Huerter was better at? Not really finding them at a very cursory glance.
I didn’t comb their stats and go tic for tac on each one tbh
Huerter has better length and versatility, is a better facilitator and doesn’t carry the shots/usage rate Herro brings. I can see Herro growing more and more into a ball stopper. He’s also 6’5” with a 6’3” wingspan - I like Huerter’s potential better to bring something on defense. All in all, a better fit for the franchise going forward
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:17 am to LSU4ever2002
Lonzo/Miller/NAW and a s&t of Favors or Moore for 15-20 million would be sufficient. I think OKC would jump on that, and we would still be able to keep 13
Posted on 11/12/20 at 10:49 am to pjk481
quote:
Looks like it does work, per TradeNBA
The TradeNBA site does not have accurate salary cap numbers. They show us at $83.2M, which is right if you renounce all cap holds and include Miller. So if you took Miller out of it, you have $76.2M, then you have to add $21M for BI, so we are at $97M, then you have to add $5M for empty roster slots, so we are at $102M, or you can keep Miller in there we are at $107.4M
SO if you do the trade for CP3, including JJ/Lonzo, you are at $17.3M difference, and you'd need to get that down another $10M to fit in in the cap space, and i think you can go over the cap a little bit in trades, but not much, like $500k maybe. We literally don't have another $10M to include, unless you wanted to send out Hayes and Melli, which i seriously doubt we'd do. We'd have to S&T Moore or Favors for whatever that amount needed to be, and to be honest, i'm not sure how that works.
I could be off on some of that, but that's how i understand it from memory.
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