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re: Shams on McAfee claiming Herb is starting "at center" for us
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:56 am to PELsu
Posted on 10/11/24 at 9:56 am to PELsu
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Every rebound Derrick Lively gets is an extra shot for Luka. You can’t win like that.
You can if you're turning them over at a high rate. Against Orlando the Pels lost the rebound battle by 4 but won the steal battle by 4 so it evened out. Rebounds are important because they impact possessions. The Pels are just going to have to attack the possession battle from another angle. Fortunately they are equipped to do that with 2 of the top 3 thieves in the league as well as a team full of length.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 10:02 am
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Posted on 10/11/24 at 10:03 am to PELsu
The rockets did it with PJ Tucker a couple of years ago with good success.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 10:04 am
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:25 am to ghost2most
But Val just about canceled out jokic's production with his own when he was on the floor. He held his own and gave jokic an actual threat to focus on. He just didn't play as many minutes or get as many touches as joker so the box score hardly every reflected how effective he actually was.
I love Herb as a player. He's my favorite guy on the team by far. Actually in quite a while. But if he has to guard jokic for an extended period of time it's going to be like Herb isn't even there. A few possessions here and there is fine. But the majority of a game? No way
I love Herb as a player. He's my favorite guy on the team by far. Actually in quite a while. But if he has to guard jokic for an extended period of time it's going to be like Herb isn't even there. A few possessions here and there is fine. But the majority of a game? No way
Posted on 10/11/24 at 11:55 am to 5iveEuax4eaux
I do agree with your overall point but...
In 3 games, Val aveaged 15/8/2 on 28mpg
In 3 games, Jokic averaged 29/13/15 on 35 mpg.
He did not "about cancel out Jokic's production"
quote:This did not happen.
But Val just about canceled out jokic's production
In 3 games, Val aveaged 15/8/2 on 28mpg
In 3 games, Jokic averaged 29/13/15 on 35 mpg.
He did not "about cancel out Jokic's production"
Posted on 10/11/24 at 12:11 pm to 5iveEuax4eaux
I'm sure its game dependent on when and how we can run small ball.
When JV or Hernangomez had left, Nance came in, he had minutes of good quality followed by Jokic being dominant and destroying us. I imagine that will be the case where you deploy true centers vs true elite centers.
small ball centers, you deploy more small ball
When JV or Hernangomez had left, Nance came in, he had minutes of good quality followed by Jokic being dominant and destroying us. I imagine that will be the case where you deploy true centers vs true elite centers.
small ball centers, you deploy more small ball
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:00 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
You seem to be caught up with style and flair.
it's not flair or a style.
He's one of the biggest most athletic freaks ever, and he's too out of shape to use it to his advantage, unlike Lebron and Giannis. Those two aren't going coast to coast every possession, but when they see the chance to do it and go after it, it's extremely successful. Jokic isn't running the floor and finishing like Lebron or Giannis, but he's pushing the pace on his 13 rebounds a game and putting pressure on the defense from the get go instead of letting them set up their halfcourt defense. Jokic was an out of shape guy early on and recognized he needed to take his conditioning seriously, and now he's going to go down as one of the greatest players of all time.
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You complained that he laid a ball in instead of dunking it. 2 points is 2 points
Yeah, b/c he wasn't comfortable jumping up to dunk the ball on the run like that b/c he's fat and not in shape. He's still an athletic freak despite it, but he didn't want to get embarressed and miss the dunk or get blocked by a 6'3" guard.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:10 pm to shel311
Now show me how many active centers put up numbers like that in any sample size against any other center. Much less the best center in the league. All of them will be all stars. 15/8/2 in under 30 minutes a game is elite production from a center in today's nba.
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:43 pm to 5iveEuax4eaux
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15/8/2 in under 30 minutes a game is elite production from a center in today's nba.
The elite centers are closer to 20/10/5 by 30 minutes and they are the primary focus for the defenses. Very good stat line but not elite.
DJ/CJ/Jose/Hawk= 14reb
Herb/ Trey/ BI= 15reb
Zion/Theis/JRE/Karlo= 17reb
This would put us at 46reb and 2 more rebounds than last year. Murray actually averaged 7-8reb his last 2 seasons in SAS. If we get the 20/8/9 Murray.... CJ also averages 4reb his whole career.
You really just need Trey/ Herb/ BI to get 15+ and Zion/ Theis to get you 14+
If the group of Herb/ BI/ Zion/ Theis/ Trey can average 6 rebounds combined then we have more rebounds than last season.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 1:58 pm to Dantheman504
I think the idea is to be more like OKC which was a bad rebounding team last year but it mostly didn't matter - at least in the regular season.
Chet was their leading rebounding with around 8.
Murray is a good rebounder for a G. Zion will have to pick up the pace of rebounding. It's going to have to be a group effort.
The biggest, and it is a big, difference, is that even though Chet is a stringbean, he does provide rim protection, something we don't have.
Think back to the playoffs.
Val was just crushing Chet. I mean dominating him offensively. Yet we couldn't keep pace.
Why? 3s.
Chet was hitting 3s. Val was so slow defensively that they were getting wide open looks, and Dort turned into prime Glenn Rice.
The Pels probably look at that series and think, ok, so Sengun/Sabonis, etc. scores 35 on us but gives up 20 uncontested 3s when we go small. We can win that percentage battle.
When it comes to Jokic and Embiid, it's irrelevant because they score at will on everyone.
Now late in games, when it's close and you can't afford to give up an offensive rebound. That is where it's going to hurt.
But for just the regular season, I think we can dictate the pace and offset the opposing big man by getting up open 3s taking advantage of their defensive limitations.
Chet was their leading rebounding with around 8.
Murray is a good rebounder for a G. Zion will have to pick up the pace of rebounding. It's going to have to be a group effort.
The biggest, and it is a big, difference, is that even though Chet is a stringbean, he does provide rim protection, something we don't have.
Think back to the playoffs.
Val was just crushing Chet. I mean dominating him offensively. Yet we couldn't keep pace.
Why? 3s.
Chet was hitting 3s. Val was so slow defensively that they were getting wide open looks, and Dort turned into prime Glenn Rice.
The Pels probably look at that series and think, ok, so Sengun/Sabonis, etc. scores 35 on us but gives up 20 uncontested 3s when we go small. We can win that percentage battle.
When it comes to Jokic and Embiid, it's irrelevant because they score at will on everyone.
Now late in games, when it's close and you can't afford to give up an offensive rebound. That is where it's going to hurt.
But for just the regular season, I think we can dictate the pace and offset the opposing big man by getting up open 3s taking advantage of their defensive limitations.
This post was edited on 10/11/24 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 10/11/24 at 3:34 pm to 5iveEuax4eaux
quote:What does any of that have to do with whether Val canceled out the dude who went 29/13/14?
Now show me how many active centers put up numbers like that in any sample size against any other center. Much less the best center in the league. All of them will be all stars. 15/8/2 in under 30 minutes a game is elite production from a center in today's nba.
Posted on 10/12/24 at 7:14 pm to supe12sta12z
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The rockets did it with PJ Tucker a couple of years ago with good success.
I keep thinking of the Raptors a few seasons ago. They played a season without a Center. They ended up playing Siakhim at the 5. They actually weren't that bad and won 48 games, with all 5 starters going over 15ppg. They were all over 35mpg, too. So not a deep team. They ended up playing the Sixers in the first round and had no answer for Embiid. They ended making a trade during the next season for a starring Center..
Posted on 10/13/24 at 11:09 am to ghost2most
quote:to do that Hawkins will have to take a leap into a microwave scorer, Ingram is going to have to pretend he’s Durant, and Zion is going to have to stay healthy
I think we can dictate the pace and offset the opposing big man by getting up open 3s taking advantage of their defensive limitations.
not saying it won’t happen because that would be one shitkicking fun team to watch, but the jury is still way out on the non-center players
Posted on 10/13/24 at 1:22 pm to Fun Bunch
The opposing team’s Center will still try to guard Zion and get smoked.
Go back and watch the April 7th, match up vs the Suns
After pulling Val 4 minutes into the game the Pelicans deployed 5 and Out Basketball
Then:
CJ-Herb-Trey-Zion-Daniels
Nance-Alvarado
Now:
DJM-Herb-TMIII-Ingram-Zion
CJ-Theis
Zion wasn’t kidding when he alluded to this team having more options this season.
Go back and watch the April 7th, match up vs the Suns
After pulling Val 4 minutes into the game the Pelicans deployed 5 and Out Basketball
Then:
CJ-Herb-Trey-Zion-Daniels
Nance-Alvarado
Now:
DJM-Herb-TMIII-Ingram-Zion
CJ-Theis
Zion wasn’t kidding when he alluded to this team having more options this season.
Posted on 10/13/24 at 7:42 pm to Broski
Depends on the overall matchup.
Posted on 10/14/24 at 8:16 am to GOP_Tiger
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he's such a mediocre perimeter defender
Mediocre defender period-@ best
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