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re: Scoop B: Pels monitoring Giannis situation and Zion could be on the table
Posted on 5/4/25 at 2:37 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 5/4/25 at 2:37 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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Zion is better at left handed layups than Sengun
And right handed layups. And passing. And defense. And not throwing 2 behind the back passes a game into the stands. And not falling down on every other spin move.
The only difference between Sengun and Jusuf Nurkic is that Nurkic doesn't have Amen Thompson, Dillon Brooks, and Tari Eason to keep him from being played off the floor for his awful defense.
I wouldn’t take that goofball into cap space, much less give up any value for him.
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Posted on 5/4/25 at 2:45 pm to mhasen1
lol this was one of the most braindead player breakdowns that I have ever seen. You might want to stop consuming Pels basketball. It’s turned you into a low iq fan.
Sengun is averaging 5.3 ast and 2.0 turnovers (which he’s neutralized by averaging 2.0 steals) in a knock out, drag out, playoff series.
He actually takes care of the ball significantly better than Zion and he’s doing it in a much more difficult and meaningful environment.
Sengun is averaging 5.3 ast and 2.0 turnovers (which he’s neutralized by averaging 2.0 steals) in a knock out, drag out, playoff series.
He actually takes care of the ball significantly better than Zion and he’s doing it in a much more difficult and meaningful environment.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 6:39 pm to 50_Tiger
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The only way Dumars and Gayle come out clean from a Zion trade is if we land Cooper Flagg and Giannis.
That’s fantasy. I’d be thrilled if we stumbled into just one of those talents for Zion, and even that is fantasy unless lightning strikes for a 3rd time and we win the lottery.
We are proven poverty because even if we win the lottery the players will want out for brighter lights within a few years. Just accept being in the club.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 8:51 pm to Geauxldilocks
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We are proven poverty because even if we win the lottery the players will want out for brighter lights within a few years. Just accept being in the club.
How do you get out of bed in the morning? It's just a lost mentality.
We have good players. We can have more. But people are like F that, I want a Superstar. It's just silly. It's been proven, you don't have to have a Superstar to have a great team or even to win a championship. If we had 8-10 above average players, we will be consistent winners, 50+ wins a year with a chance at a ring. But that's not enough for some reason, even though we've never really had that. I don't get it. It's an easy formula..
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:27 pm to brmark70816
What team has won a title without a superstar outside of maybe Detroit? And even that team had five all stars
Posted on 5/4/25 at 10:56 pm to ghost2most
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What team has won a title without a superstar outside of maybe Detroit? And even that team had five all stars
Did the late 70s Sonics or Bullets have a superstar? I know the Blazers had Bill Walton for their title.
Can’t think of a team in the 80s or beyond outside that 04 Pistons squad to do it.
Posted on 5/4/25 at 11:34 pm to ghost2most
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What team has won a title without a superstar outside of maybe Detroit? And even that team had five all stars
Since the 21st century, truly has only been two teams: Detroit & Dallas.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:11 am to ghost2most
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What team has won a title without a superstar outside of maybe Detroit? And even that team had five all stars
2014 Spurs. They had only one all-star player in Parker, who led the team with 17ppg and was 2nd team all-nba. I don't think anyone has ever considered Parker as a "Superstar". Duncan was past his prime and only averaged 15/10. Leonard just started to emerge but wasn't a star yet and only averaged 13/6/5. But he made 2nd all-defensive team. It was a super deep team of mainly role players that fit together.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 4:38 am to brmark70816
This is for the people that will argue that the Spurs had 4 future HOF players. The Spurs payroll in 2014 was 63M and they were 19th in the league in salary. The next year they went up to 70M and were 17th. So they weren't spending a ton either..
Posted on 5/5/25 at 10:46 am to htran90
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Since the 21st century, truly has only been two teams: Detroit & Dallas.
Dallas had Dirk. He, by every definition of the word, was a superstar. He carried Dallas in that finals against Miami.
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2014 Spurs. They had only one all-star player in Parker, who led the team with 17ppg and was 2nd team all-nba. I don't think anyone has ever considered Parker as a "Superstar". Duncan was past his prime and only averaged 15/10. Leonard just started to emerge but wasn't a star yet and only averaged 13/6/5. But he made 2nd all-defensive team. It was a super deep team of mainly role players that fit together.
Are you serious? Four first ballot hall of famers, three of which had already won multiple championships. One being a top 10 player of all time.
So in fact, these posts have proven that outside of five all starts in a starting lineup in Detroit, you absolutely have to have a superstar to be a contending team.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 12:26 pm to ThePistol
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Are you serious? Four first ballot hall of famers, three of which had already won multiple championships. One being a top 10 player of all time.
That doesn't make sense in the context of the debate. People state that you have to have a Superstar to win a championship. Is that is any portion of their career, even if they are no longer at that level?
This isn't a trap question, but how would you resolve that with a team like the Nuggets this year and Westbrook? Does he count as a Superstar playing for them (on a minimum deal playing on his 6th team in 6 years)?
I believe they mean you have to have a Superstar carry the team to the Championship. The only player that was remotely at that level, at that time is Tony Parker. If you're believe he's a Superstar, then that would prove me wrong. But I doubt you do..
This post was edited on 5/5/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 5/5/25 at 1:40 pm to Geauxldilocks
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No stars are ever going to want to play here. Chris Paul, AD, and Zion show what happens they eventually leave.
One of those is not like the others.
The Pels actually built a talented roster around Zion and did everything possible to keep him happy, but Zion has never taken his health seriously.
This post was edited on 5/5/25 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/5/25 at 1:44 pm to brmark70816
The four hall of famers combined averaged 66ppg on 54% shooting in the 2014 Finals. It is very hard to be more efficient than that, especially against the Bron/Wade/Bosh Heat. My argument is that 4 "good to very good" players aren't even close to playing at that level in high leverage games. Superstar players matter.
Look at last night's game 7. The Rockets have a ton of "good to very good" players. They were no match for 37 year old Steph, 35 year old Jimmy, and 35 year old Draymond. Players of that status absolutely matter in the playoffs.
Look at last night's game 7. The Rockets have a ton of "good to very good" players. They were no match for 37 year old Steph, 35 year old Jimmy, and 35 year old Draymond. Players of that status absolutely matter in the playoffs.
Posted on 5/5/25 at 1:51 pm to TigerinATL
Constantly hurt fringe all star COULD be for trade for former MVP and perennial 1st team all-nba player. Crazy.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 6:24 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Constantly hurt fringe all star COULD be for trade for former MVP and perennial 1st team all-nba player. Crazy.
Indeed and they think Dumars and Gayle can pull it off. Fantasy.
Posted on 5/6/25 at 10:20 am to Geauxldilocks
The ghost of David Stern, channeled through his boy, Silver, won’t like the idea of the Pels franchise going to Seattle. He already crushed that move once…
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