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re: Reported friction between the players and SVG
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:33 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:33 pm to Chad504boy
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Fire Griff. Fire Stan. Promote Langdon. Hire Ham. Lets fricking Go.
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:38 pm to subdude
I don’t think Ingram will ever be a championship level player.
Players are pussies.
But if Zion bolts I’m done with the franchise. It’s unsalvageable.
Players are pussies.
But if Zion bolts I’m done with the franchise. It’s unsalvageable.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
Really hoping this rumor isn’t true, not because I think SVG is some great coach, but because it equally says something about our top guys. In that despite words to the contrary, they aren’t wanting to take personal ownership.
I mean listen, I think it was foolish to chase a style of defense that was built around sacrificing the three to guard the interior and required high individual defensive awareness due to the lack of switching, in the context of a season of empty gyms and teams able to shoot the lights out because of it. But we changed things up after feedback, coaches worked a ton with our guys to help them along, and much of our problems came down to one simple thing: effort and IQ.
Even Zion was outright not even trying on defensive possessions at times, BI and Lonzo as well.
At some level if players aren’t going to hold themselves accountable there’s no magical alchemy that is going to make grown adults do so.
I’m fine with bringing in a new coach, but it better be a fricking home run, because the track history of franchises that swap coaches three times in three years is basically terrible. It’s the sort of thing dumpster fire franchises do over and over to shift blame and pass the buck off.
Not to mention, we were a series of bad injuries not happening away from continuing a pretty impressive run. We had the top two offense and a top 15 defense and were starting to roll.
More than anything I just hope we don’t do what many seem to be advocating and that is panic and try and force the issue in FA/trades.
I mean listen, I think it was foolish to chase a style of defense that was built around sacrificing the three to guard the interior and required high individual defensive awareness due to the lack of switching, in the context of a season of empty gyms and teams able to shoot the lights out because of it. But we changed things up after feedback, coaches worked a ton with our guys to help them along, and much of our problems came down to one simple thing: effort and IQ.
Even Zion was outright not even trying on defensive possessions at times, BI and Lonzo as well.
At some level if players aren’t going to hold themselves accountable there’s no magical alchemy that is going to make grown adults do so.
I’m fine with bringing in a new coach, but it better be a fricking home run, because the track history of franchises that swap coaches three times in three years is basically terrible. It’s the sort of thing dumpster fire franchises do over and over to shift blame and pass the buck off.
Not to mention, we were a series of bad injuries not happening away from continuing a pretty impressive run. We had the top two offense and a top 15 defense and were starting to roll.
More than anything I just hope we don’t do what many seem to be advocating and that is panic and try and force the issue in FA/trades.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:43 pm to Bronc
I hope this rumor is true and it forces Griff to get rid of SVG...we ain't winning anything with Stan but the the 2025 lottery when Zion is playing in New York.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:44 pm to subdude
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Fire Griff. Fire Stan. Promote Langdon. Hire Ham. Lets fricking Go.
I’m going for Juwan Howard first
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You can talk all you want about blaming the players, and they deserve some of it, but the lack of effort is usually b/c you dont' believe in what your coach wants you to do, so you aren't going to bust your arse for him.
By that argument, Tom thibs is at fault and Wiggins/Kat knew better.
Which in fact, we know that isn't the case.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:51 pm to Bronc
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Even Zion was outright not even trying on defensive possessions at times
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Bronc
We doin this again?
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:54 pm to htran90
But it was Jimmy Butler who rode their asses. And Thibs was still able to get that squad to the playoffs.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:55 pm to shel311
You really can’t let that arse beating go can you? I mean do you really want to relitigate how you were jumping on board the hot take train and trashing Zion because he wasn’t all-NBA enough in your eyes in 35 games? Co-signing some of the dumbest fricking nonsense in that thread?
And to answer you, no, we’re not, but if it makes you feel better you can draft up yet another of your shitty posts attempting to rewrite that history and pretend like I or others care.
And to answer you, no, we’re not, but if it makes you feel better you can draft up yet another of your shitty posts attempting to rewrite that history and pretend like I or others care.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:58 pm to Bronc
quote:I love how you pretend every time I said Zion gave a lack of effort, that you didn't reply calling me names and telling me that wasn't true and there was no lack of effort.
I mean do you really want to relitigate how you were jumping on board the hot take train and trashing Zion because he wasn’t all-NBA enough in your eyes in 35 games? Co-signing some of the dumbest fricking nonsense in that thread?
quote:Funny that you're saying this after you told me you'd never let me live it down, now here you are whining about me bringing up your blatant hypocrisy...again.
You really can’t let that arse beating go can you?
And next time you say it, i'll bring it up again. No biggie, if you don't want to concede how hypocritical you are and saying 2 completely different things, I don't mind reminding you each time you bring it up.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 2:59 pm to Mad Scientist26
Youre talking 19-30 year old kids. 50% of a coaches job is motivation and dealing with personality differences, media distractions, etc. Only thing SVG connecting with in Nola is a buncha skrimp poboys.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:01 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I bet dollars to donuts this probably has to do with stan calling the team out constantly to the media, especially the high school team comments after the Knicks game fiasco.
At some point the players on the team have to look in the mirror and realize that their half arse efforts on defense cost them way too many games. I'm tired to our players talking about how much they are dedicated to the sport but only bring it on one side of the ball. I'm talking to you B.I.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:02 pm to shel311
You are honestly sort of pathetic shel
I’ve never met someone so incapable of dealing with a bruised ego. So mentally small they can’t just take their crow and eat it and instead will attempt to gaslight the world before admitting fault.
You said some dumb shite in the heat of the moment months ago, doubled down and caucused with anyone taking a similar posture, and it seems you and only you can’t seem to get over it.
Its 3pm on a workday and you’re out here trying to gaslight a bad take from months ago, think about that
I’ve never met someone so incapable of dealing with a bruised ego. So mentally small they can’t just take their crow and eat it and instead will attempt to gaslight the world before admitting fault.
You said some dumb shite in the heat of the moment months ago, doubled down and caucused with anyone taking a similar posture, and it seems you and only you can’t seem to get over it.
Its 3pm on a workday and you’re out here trying to gaslight a bad take from months ago, think about that
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:03 pm to Bronc
quote:A lot of words(I didn't read) to not just admit you went off on me and said Zion wasn't giving a lack of effort then later said Zion gave a lack of effort.
You are honestly sort of pathetic shel
I’ve never met someone so incapable of dealing with a bruised ego. So mentally small they can’t just take their crow and eat it and instead will attempt to gaslight the world before admitting fault.
You said some dumb shite in the heat of the moment months ago, doubled down and caucused with anyone taking a similar posture, and it seems only you and only you can’t seem to get over it.
It 3pm on a workday and you’re out here trying to gaslight a bad take from months ago, think about that
It's ok to admit it, it happened.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:04 pm to purplepylon
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Use everything you need to trade for someone that has a undoubtable killer instinct (i.e. CP3, Butler)
That guy actually has to become available and until Washington decides to accept their fate with Beal, that guy isn't our there.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:05 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Alvin coddled these guys and Stan is too overbearing. We went from one extreme to another.
That's usually the case with how teams cycle through coaches. They often hire the exact opposite of the guy that most recently didn't get it done.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:16 pm to 504Voodoo
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That's usually the case with how teams cycle through coaches.
well if Gentry was too soft, and Stan was too hard... who is the Goldilocks coach?
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:18 pm to jmcwhrter
Gentry style for the most part fits what this team likes to do. I think a young forward thinking guy who's similar in coaching philosophies but with balance on the defensive side of the ball would have been ideal.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:19 pm to jmcwhrter
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and Stan was too hard..
it ain't that stan is too hard. its that stan sucks as a coach.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:19 pm to htran90
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By that argument, Tom thibs is at fault and Wiggins/Kat knew better.
They needed to mature, and if you've watched Wiggins lately, he has, and has become a really good defender. Thibs was the wrong coach for them, just like SVG is the wrong coach for our guys.
and the scary part of all of this is maybe our young guys are a bunch of pansies and it's not SVG, it's them, but i do'nt believe that.
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