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re: Pels openly discussing trading Jrue
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:15 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:15 pm to Fun Bunch
Not sure if you have listened to the NBA Show pod with Kushner on it, but it's pretty decent.
Nothing too out there or crazy, but interesting to get Kushner's take on the situation (maybe I think that because we have similar feelings on Jrue though
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Nothing too out there or crazy, but interesting to get Kushner's take on the situation (maybe I think that because we have similar feelings on Jrue though
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Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:18 pm to Epic Cajun
I listened, It sounded like he was closer to our thinking than some of these national guys. KOC's deal makes the Lowe/Marks deals look infinitely better.
Huerter + 6 for Jrue + 13 is just
Huerter + 6 for Jrue + 13 is just
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:23 pm to Fun Bunch
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Huerter + 6 for Jrue + 13 is just
I was listening to the open floor podcast and one of them threw out Jrue for Tobias Harris straight up.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:24 pm to RosyFinchBOYZ
Tobias has the 2nd worst contract in the league after his teammate Horford.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:26 pm to Dantheman504
quote:PG forced his way out. Indy took Sabonis and Oladipo because they were young players with potential. They were far from sure things at the time. With PG leaving, they were focused on rebuilding with youth. Now, aren't you complaining that Huerter and/or Reddish with the #6 is not enough? It is a very similar situation value-wise. Reddish is still an unknown (ala Sabonis) and Huerter has put up decent numbers, but is not a star at all (ala Oladipo). I am not saying those players will flourish to the level of Sabonis and Oladipo, but they are in somewhat similar positions at the point of their careers. Also, Jrue is not forcing his way out, so maybe that helps us a bit value-wise (as long as he is not refusing to commit to teams going forward).
So the Pacers traded for Sabonis and Oladipo while not thinking much of them for PG who you say was a very sought after player? Those 2 things don't add up. The Pacers knew they were getting at least pretty good players in Sabonis and Oladipo. Did OKC also trade PG thinking Gallinari and SGA were just meh?
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:28 pm to NOSHAU
Crewz's thoughts after perusing this board:
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If I am trading Jrue to the Hawks, I would just ask for 6, Huerter, and top 8 protected 2021 first
Thats it. Let Hawks keep their young guys. I dont want them anyway. I'd rather go into offseason with the cap room. Take Hayes or Haliburton at 6 and best wing or big at 13
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:29 pm to Fun Bunch
I like his logic. I think the Pelicans already have too many young players and that doesn’t include the upcoming draft pick.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:29 pm to Fun Bunch
Yeah and I’d listen to an argument that Tobias’ is worse.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:29 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Kinda odd take for someone who has been preaching that we should be gathering young assets and picks as potential future trade chips. I would certainly try to get Reddish added in case he gets better and could become a valuable chip later.
Crewz's thoughts after perusing this board:
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If I am trading Jrue to the Hawks, I would just ask for 6, Huerter, and top 8 protected 2021 first
Thats it. Let Hawks keep their young guys. I dont want them anyway. I'd rather go into offseason with the cap room. Take Hayes or Haliburton at 6 and best wing or big at 13
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:31 pm to Fun Bunch
FWIW if no other better deals materialized I could live with it although I wouldn't love it. Not having to give up 13, and getting a future first from a team that I have questions about would be alright.
Maybe I'm overvaluing Jrue by a lot though because it still FEELS light.
Maybe I'm overvaluing Jrue by a lot though because it still FEELS light.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:32 pm to Fun Bunch
I like that. If we can get a future first and keep our #13 then Huerter and #6 is solid. Can we get that future first without taking on Dedmon's salary or them trying to bargain for #13 tho?
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:34 pm to RosyFinchBOYZ
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Yeah and I’d listen to an argument that Tobias’ is worse.
Not only that, he just completely doesn't fit with the team. At that point they are just creating trades that work for the other team, without thinking about the Pels' side of the trade at all.
ETA: it was probably Ben Golliver, that guy is a jackass
This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:38 pm to Fun Bunch
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FWIW if no other better deals materialized I could live with it although I wouldn't love it. Not having to give up 13, and getting a future first from a team that I have questions about would be alright.
Maybe I'm overvaluing Jrue by a lot though because it still FEELS light.
Maybe I'm just a Jrue hater, but IMO if we can get a young piece and a decently high pick this draft (6 or better), I'm doing it. I just don't want to hamstring the team with a new Jrue deal, and I don't really want to let him walk for nothing.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:38 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:51 pm to NOSHAU
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Paul George was a much more sought after player then, at 27, than Jrue at 30
No he wasn't. The Lakers basically didn't even try to get him b/c they just assumed they'd sign him in the offseason. PG literally said he was going to LA after the season. I wouldn't call him a guy that was sought after. No one wanted to give up much for a 1 year rental of him.
I'll give you Sabonis was an unknown, but he had plenty of upside, more so than Reddish, but I'd say Sabonis at that time and Reddish right now are of similar value.
Oladipo was flourishing just fine in OKC. He was averaging 16ppg in his first 4 seasons in the league, and once he started playing more off ball instead of PG, is when he started to really flourish. Oladipo's first 3 years are very similar to Brandon Ingrams first 3 years in the league. Both broke out in year 4, with a new team where they were the man.
I don't think we are asking that much when we say #6, Reddish, Huerter for Jrue. PG is a better player than Jrue, but given the circumstances he was traded under, Jrue's value shouldn't be far off from PG in that trade.
and think about this, off subject.
The Thunder traded Serge Ibaka for Oladipo, Illysova, and teh draft rights to Sabonis.
Turned Ilysasova into Jerami Grant. They also traded what turned into #21 this year with Ilyasova.
Jerami Grant played well for them and they traded him for a Denver 1st this year, #25. It was a cost cutting move, as it saved them $36M in salary/taxes even though Grant's contract was only worth $9M.
Oladipo and Sabonis netted them PG, who then netted them SGA, Gallinari, and 5 first round picks.
So they basically received 6 first round picks (4 unprotected), SGA, and Gallinari for Serge Ibaka and #21 this year, and if they weren't in tax hell, it would have been more with Grant.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:21 pm to Fun Bunch
Adding picks in this draft just seems like settling to me.
Just my opinion but I think they involve a 3rd team if any high 2020 picks are being used as collateral
They need to be more targeted in who they look at acquire. Imo
Just my opinion but I think they involve a 3rd team if any high 2020 picks are being used as collateral
They need to be more targeted in who they look at acquire. Imo
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:33 pm to Epic Cajun
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Yeah and I’d listen to an argument that Tobias’ is worse.
Just listened this this podcast, his second trade idea was Jrue for Bledsoe, DiVencenzo, and the 24th pick. I think I would just rather let Jrue walk than take that deal.
Then they went on to propose Jrue for Wiggins and the Minnesota pick. Don’t want the Wiggins deal, and to me this does nothing really “good” for the team. We’ve seen Wiggins on a team with no leadership already, it’s not good.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:35 pm to Epic Cajun
I don't particularly care for Bledsoe, although I think he would be an interesting fit next to Ball. But I'd love Divincenzo. He is still developing, but is going to be a borderline all star SG. Great athlete and already a solid defender. I think they would still have him for about 3 years on an affordable contract. He is the type of energy and role player this team needs surrounding Zion. Plus he would be a huge crowd favorite. Great deal..
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:40 pm to Epic Cajun
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According to @KevinOConnorNBA, he has heard that the Hawks GM and Head Coach have “immense pressure from ownership” to make the playoffs next season.
All the more reason for them to go all in on a Jrue trade.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 8:56 pm to Soggymoss
Don't see the benefit of not trying to at least get Reddish if Hawks is the team we go with.
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